No POWER for windows on all doors and vent windows or outside lighting

[GeorgeT]

Went to town yesterday and everything was fine but when we came home I noticed the windows wouldnt do anything. Made sure the widow lock switch was off and then today I also realized that the outside running board lights dont work or the interior lights. I did the obvious and checked the fuses and even the circuit breaker but still nothing. HELP 2000 Eddie Bauer 5.4 4WD. This is my wifes vehicle so I dont drive it much and also noticed that the drivers side mirror is loose. The painted part has come away from the black plastic.




Thanks all in advance

 

[stamp11127]

Welcome to the forum. We ask that you update your signature with the vehicle specifics so that we know which gen we are dealing with plus it will be on all of your replies. It is located under User CP at the top left of the page.

Did you check the fuses with a test light, dvm or eyeball? Sounds like a blown fuse.

 

[bedrck46]

for the power windows check fuse 601 in the battery junction box and also the acc delay relay.

for lights check fuse 15 in the battery junction box fuse 14 in the central junction box and also the interior lamp relay

 

[GeorgeT]

How do you check the ACC Delay Relay? I replaced the fuses and the circuit breaker that was in the 601 spot. Ive done all the troubleshooting I can think of but still nothing. I know its something within that circuit but Im not sure where to go next. I got the replacement breaker from a Ford dealership just to make sure I had the exact part.

 

[bedrck46]

how good are you at reading and understanding elect prints

 

[GeorgeT]

I went ahead and put in a new ACC delay relay and still nothing. Im sure I could figure the prints out . I have a chilton book and thats where I was able to start tracing the circuit

 

[bedrck46]

these are ford prints for your year

lets do one problem at a time window circuit

also sending you a PM

 

[bedrck46]

remove the right side kick panel and look at the ground connection as there was as recent problem of the ground being rusted

 

[bedrck46]

check this

http://www.expeditionforum.com/f42/gem-module-24410/index2.html#post198510

 

[GeorgeT]

Anyone else have an idea? Still have nothing

 

[stamp11127]

What have you checked and how did you check it?

Do you have a dvm(voltmeter) or test light?
If you do, check for power on the Accessory Delay Relay connector #30 with ign on run. If it has power jump connector #30 to #87 and try the windows. This bypasses the relay. If the widows work then the problem is on the GEM side of the circuit.

 

[GeorgeT]

Stamp... Ive replaced the fuse for the accessories and also the Acc Delay relay. I also replaced the 30 amp fuse in the power distribution block under the hood. I checked the ground under the passenger kick panel for loose wires and rust. Nada. I also took off the driver door panel with the hopes of finding a broken wire. We also found out that the windshield wipers are affected.


No power for
Windows.... the lights on the switches for windows all work
Moonroof
Vent windows
Interior lighting
Running board lights
No door chime or door ajar in instrument cluster
Windshield wipers
Light under hood




Im really starting to lean towards the GEM module. I am taking it to a mechanic tomorrow for him to troubleshoot. However if he does say its a gem module Ill be going through ebay and not paying retail

 

[stamp11127]

Update us on what the problem turns out to be.

 

[Bedrck47]

George T
I noticed that you were asked the following question.

What have you checked and how did you check it?

Do you have a dvm(voltmeter) or test light?
If you do, check for power on the Accessory Delay Relay connector #30 with ign on run. If it has power jump connector #30 to #87 and try the windows. This bypasses the relay. If the widows work then the problem is on the GEM side of the circuit.

but I also noticed that you did not provide a answer to all of that question.
When you are asked question it is very helpful to the person that is trying to help you that you answer all of the questions. Without those answers it is almost impossible to know where you are at in the troubleshooting process.

bedrck46 asked you if you could read and understand electrical prints yet I notice that you didn't provide an answer to his question.

it is very frustrating to offer help and not receive the information asked.
you are not alone in this as there are too many that come on the forum and do the same thing

 

[GeorgeT]

Sorry for the lack of update I truly appreciate everyones input. Was all very helpful. Well after going through the electrical diagram and jumping the relays as suggested it turns out it was in fact the GEM module. I took it to a local mechanic and he confirmed it. Well his initial bill was well over $630.00 . The new module was well over $450 alone. I went through Ebay and found one with a warranty for 60.00 delivered. My mechanic was cool enough to take out the old one and program the one I bought and reinstall it for about $115.00. After reading all the posts and going through the diagram it did all lead to the module but I was in denial because I figured it would cost an arm and a leg to repair.



Thanks again for all the replies