Adding BLIS

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well the blis module for the side is in the rear quarter panel area, and ARE not attached the skin, they are attached to the frame structure,
mirrors only have the icon flashy light thing
 

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Wow dude. You're awesome. Love guys like you that have so much knowledge to lend.

Well I really want to add this to my truck as well. :) It should be doable as it's been done before with F150s and the setup is almost identical. I don't think adding the hardware will be a problem. More likely, it will be getting FORScan to work making changes in the code in whatever modules need modifying to get it active and working.

For example, there's a fantastic thread where a fellow is adding a heated steering wheel (something else I want to do that's even more complicated than adding BLIS). The challenge for that project was the fact FORScan wasn't programmed to even look for the Heated Steering Wheel module because it was never available as an option. But, low and behold, he managed to talk the FORScan developers into adding that capability to the program. So, now it can be done!

well the blis module for the side is in the rear quarter panel area, and ARE not attached the skin, they are attached to the frame structure,
mirrors only have the icon flashy light thing

Yeah we need to see some pics of how and where the SOD modules are installed. I found pics of 2015 and 2016 modules that show a big difference between left and right (likely for the brackets and not the modules themselves). Tasca shows only one part for 2017 and that resembles the left module for 2015/16. Also, the 2017 part # is ridiculously expensive (almost $1000 list) while other part #s for similar modules on other vehicles are less than $200 each.

2015 BLIS SOD Module LEFT.jpg

2015 BLIS SOD Module RIGHT.jpg
 
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I guess I am old, not really a fan of these Safety Nannies..

This seems like a lot of effort to go through, for a problem that is already addressed with the Old School Mirrors included with most cars. Correctly Adjusted, they work pretty well for me..

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/how-to-adjust-your-mirrors-to-avoid-blind-spots


Techies and geeks like technology or as you call them safety nannies. I've been driving for a long time and have never had these types of things but as cars get more smart and more technology we just love it.
 
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What about this? Aftermarket BLIS with cross traffic alert.
Looks interesting. They don't have it for Expedition though. But It does say universal so maybe they only make specific brackets for Escape, Fusion and Transit and the universal ones work for others.
I still think I'm going to figure out if my Limited Expedition already has the brackets or harness already there and just add it myself if I can.
 

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I just had one installed on my 17 Limited. I am a little disappointed in it. It detects vehicles only in your blind spot, not cross traffic in the rear. The warning lights were mounted in the dash and you get a beep if there is a car in your blind spot if the turn signal is on. You get the beep if a vehicle is next to you on either side. I don't think is was worth the $500 to have it installed.
 

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The main reason I got a 2016 KR instead of a Limited, is that none of the used limiteds I found from 2015-2017 had BLIS. It was a "requirement" from the Wife.
We had it on our 2016 Explorer, but don't on my 2012 F150. She said with how big the Expy is she did not feel comfortable driving one with out it.

Its very helpful with all the crazies on the highway around here and the Cross traffic is nice as well.
I know it uses the rear bumper sensors, and I assumed it used the front bumper sensors in the same way. Did not realize there was another sensor in the rear 1/4 panel.
 

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The scary thing about the blind spot system is that it still reccomended you visually check before changing lanes. What's the point of that? At least with the built in blindspot mirrors you can trust what you see (I still turn and look regardless). I tell my wife if you see anything in that little blindspot mirror, it's in your blindspot and don't change lanes. Now cross traffic alert I can see being useful, like when backing out of a parking space.
 
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The main reason I got a 2016 KR instead of a Limited, is that none of the used limiteds I found from 2015-2017 had BLIS. It was a "requirement" from the Wife.
We had it on our 2016 Explorer, but don't on my 2012 F150. She said with how big the Expy is she did not feel comfortable driving one with out it.

Its very helpful with all the crazies on the highway around here and the Cross traffic is nice as well.
I know it uses the rear bumper sensors, and I assumed it used the front bumper sensors in the same way. Did not realize there was another sensor in the rear 1/4 panel.

Blind spot systems do not use the little circle dots on the bumpers. Those are only for detecting objects when going forward or reverse at slow speeds.
 

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Sorry to see no one else is actively trying to add this option. I've been collecting the parts and I have the two SOD modules but only one wire connector so far. I've also started collecting some of the code needed to do it. If anyone else is working on this, please chime in here or send me a private message. Thanks! :)
 

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Sorry to see no one else is actively trying to add this option. I've been collecting the parts and I have the two SOD modules but only one wire connector so far. I've also started collecting some of the code needed to do it. If anyone else is working on this, please chime in here or send me a private message. Thanks! :)

on my to do list; Already started gathering parts.

228484674.jpg 228484675.jpg Blindspot LH.jpg Blindspot RH.jpg
 

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Glass Part Numbers:

FL7Z-17K707-C (Driver) & FL7Z-17K707-A (Passenger)

I suspect the connectors will already be there on the Limited Trim but just in case they're not, here's the ...

... Motorcraft Pigtail Part Number:

WPT-1481 (both sides)
 
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BLIS Part number (Both Sides):

Use this P/N to order brand new DG1Z-14C689-B

and use this P/N to search for used modules DG1T-14C689-EA

DG1T-14C689-EA.jpg
 

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This is AWESOME, thanks!

Some thoughts that might help:

First, the Side Object Detection (SOD) modules are generic and are used on several different vehicles. Special attaching brackets are needed that are specific to our trucks. These are bolted to the vehicle with three bolts.

If you're adding this to a truck that doesn't have BLIS, you'll need to get at least one used module from a 2015-17 Expedition Platinum (the only trim level where BLIS is standard). The reason is you need the configuration information stored inside the module in order for it to be usable. You can get a brand new module, but it will be "blank" and will need to be properly configured before it will work properly. If I'm not mistaken, this can be done with FORscan. Be sure to download and keep a copy of the settings inside the used module. From what I've read, the VIN number will need to be written to this module. There may also be other critical info that helps it function correctly for our trucks (vs being used in another vehicle).

Ford changed the part number for '17 models and there was a huge price hike. The older units were less than $200 brand new but then they suddenly jumped to about $600 each. The older units had part number DG1T-14C689-EA but for '17 it's listed as DG1Z-14C689-B. The number listed on the module is referred to as an "engineering number" and often won't match the number used by the Ford parts guys when ordering. I confirmed the DG1Z and DG1T numbers are actually the same module. So, if you're buying new, it may not be necessary to get the more expensive DG1Z module from Ford.

Second, while I haven't seen anyone attempt this on an Expedition, I did follow some threads on an F150 forum where it was successfully done. Over on that board, I notice a lot of people buy entire wire harnesses just to add a module. This can add a huge amount of work and a good deal of extra cost.

In the case of BLIS, the connections are spliced into the existing harness. They are not part of a separate "sub" harness. Thus, you'd need to replace the entire rear harness of the truck! The cost for a brand new harness from Ford would be prohibitive. Because it's a lot of labor to remove them, many salvage yards won't sell entire harnesses. Also, the main harness is different for EL vs standard wheelbase. And, to make things even more difficult, BLIS was standard only on Platinum models. It was a rare option on other trucks. Thus, you might have a difficult time finding the harness you need.

For this project, all you really need is a connector for each module. This has power, ground, two wires to splice into the vehicle network, and one wire to run back to each mirror. Connections for +12V, ground, and network are located in the back of the truck already. So, in my opinion, it makes more sense to get the pigtails and run the wires yourself.

If you do this, be sure to get connectors for the RH module. There is an extra pin in this connector that's connected to ground. This tells the module it's installed on the passenger side as opposed to the driver's side. If you get the wrong connector, you'd need to find and add the appropriate pin. On the other hand, if you had two RH connectors you could simply cut the extra ground wire and use one of them for the driver's side module.

The harness will need to be secured to the structure near the module. The wires then run through the large grommet at each tail lamp and into the vehicle.

Shown below is the entire rear harness for a 2017 EL Platinum:
WireHarness--Rear1.jpg
 

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Concur with the above, ... I just finished adding BLIS to my 2013 Fusion ... works like a charm !

In regards to the BLIS Module part numbers themselves. The two numbers above will get you the exact same thing.

- The "DG1T" ending in "EA" will commonly be for used Modules as most junkyards don't usually take the time to lookup catalog part numbers. They just go with whatever they see listed on the part.

- Whereas Online Catalogs will list the "DG1Z" ending in "B"
For some reason for a lot of Ford parts, the number listed on the part itself is slightly different from what's listed on the parts catalog online. I speak from experience.

Reference to wiring, I make my own Harnesses. ... like Star-Art mentioned above, one just have to tie into the existing vehicle wiring; not a concern on that front.

There will be some programming required in order for this to work. Each modules will require the vehicle's VIN to be changed to match. Then the IPC hex bit changes to enable BLIS & Cross Traffic Alert in the menu. If you've used Forscan before, that part is easy.

Here are the modules connectors Pinouts, if interested:

C4369 LH Module.jpg C4370 RH Module.jpg
 
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BTW, it turns out the connector for the SOD modules is available from an aftermarket source:

https://www.rockauto.com/en/parts/motorcraft,WPT1545,side+object+sensor+connector,21759

ConnectorWPT1545.jpg

Also, I saw a thread on a Mustang forum where people were adding BLIS but not using the factory mirrors. They were getting their own LEDs and placing them wherever. If anyone wants to try this, be sure you understand how to properly build circuits to power your LEDs.

The factory module is designed to power the factory LED. Substituting another LED might draw too much current. This would set a DTC trouble code in the SOD module(s) and could potentially disable the BLIS setup.

A typical LED draws around 20mA when it is significantly bright. More than this will tend to shorten the life of the LED. 30mA is pretty much the maximum operating current for a typical single-color "discrete" component LED like the ones in the factory mirrors.

They also have different voltage requirements depending on the color. Pure yellow LEDs have a 1.8V forward voltage. White is 3.3V. This is quite a difference and affects the value of the series resistor needed to limit current through the LED. The factory LEDs are yellow. I don't know if these are "pure" yellow or white with a yellow tint.

All this means it's probably best to use the factory mirrors and not take chances causing problems with the LED driver circuit in the SOD modules. Substituting something like an RGB or RGB+white LED would definitely cause problems as can be seen in some other threads on this subject at other forums. These draw several times more current compared to a single-color LED.

That would almost certainly overload the Alert output of the SOD module. Not only that, the LEDs are grounded through the rearview mirror so this could be overloaded as well.

Hope that helps! :D
 
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I enjoy reading the posts between you two. Very good and much better than me at dissecting and interpreting diagrams and troubleshooting. You guys are assets to this forum that’s for sure...
 
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