Is there a solution for the peeling paint?

[Trainmaster]

This is especially bad by the coasts. Salt in the air corrodes aluminum quickly and any breach of the paint coating allows the corrosion to begin. We finish it as any other panel. But the job is only as good as the integrity of the paint. Once there's a crack or chip, it's over and the aluminum corrosion begins.

Manufacturers have deemed paint coatings to be consumable items like alternators. They have a deemed service life, say 150K miles/ten years. The older oil based paints deteriorated too, though differently. They faded and chalked and wore away. As cars last longer today and tend to look better through their lives, we have these problems. It's unfortunate that Ford put out a product that often peeled paint after three years' use.

 

[JExpedition07]

As I stated, the warranty was changed for all 2016MY vehicles.

Furthermore, the entire process of aluminum panel manufacturing, from the alloy of aluminum used, through the "pickling", stamping and priming has changed start with the aluminum body F150. This was carried forward through the F250-F350 and into the aluminum body Expedition.

No help for Expeditions built prior to 2016MY.

The warranty doesn’t mean squat, we’ve had various 2016 and 2017 owners with bubbling hoods and lift gates. Ford never fixed the panel contamination. It’s only covered for 5 years and they will repaint once. The issue will be back in a year.

In 2017 Ford reprepped and resprayed my aunts 2014 Expedition tailgate for free, but you know it will be back! Little bubbles have already returned on the underside of the lip.

 

[ManUpOrShutUp]

I took it to a reputable body shop. Strip, fill, prime and paint. NO WARRANTY !

They can't be that reputable if there's no warranty. Limited lifetime warranty is the industry standard.

 

[poppie]

So what is different about how Ford paints the NEW ALL Aluminum body's OR is it just a matter of time tell the whole truck has pealing paint .

 

[JExpedition07]

So what is different about how Ford paints the NEW ALL Aluminum body's OR is it just a matter of time tell the whole truck has pealing paint .

I’ve seen a couple aluminum F-150s with the bed paint peeling off on the side exposing bare aluminum here in NY. Always where the wheel well trim meets up to the bed where plastic and aluminum make contact. Maybe from trim slightly moving in wind or with truck body panels flexing from various situations then causing paint to bubble and flake.

 

[Trainmaster]

We've seen 2018 Expeditions with paint peeling on the rear quarters under the windows.

 

[theoldwizard1]

So what is different about how Ford paints the NEW ALL Aluminum body's OR is it just a matter of time tell the whole truck has pealing paint .

It is NOT the paint, it is PREPARATION and primer.

 

[TobyU]

They can't be that reputable if there's no warranty. Limited lifetime warranty is the industry standard.

What area do you live in that this is the standard? No one around here is going to warranty for rust or bubbling or corrosion return. They will have some fancy writing and they might cover stuff like paint peeling, clear coat peeling or fading but they're not going to cover the return of corrosion or rust.

 

[JExpedition07]

What area do you live in that this is the standard? No one around here is going to warranty for rust or bubbling or corrosion return. They will have some fancy writing and they might cover stuff like paint peeling, clear coat peeling or fading but they're not going to cover the return of corrosion or rust.

Nobody does that in NY either, not even the most well known body and collision shops. Could be regional thing.

 

[TobyU]

That's what I'm guessing. Rust and corrosion once it starts it's just a way of life in the Rust Belt states. Nobody is going to grind it out and repair it again unless they get paid again.

Darn water and oxygen!

 

[ManUpOrShutUp]

What area do you live in that this is the standard? No one around here is going to warranty for rust or bubbling or corrosion return. They will have some fancy writing and they might cover stuff like paint peeling, clear coat peeling or fading but they're not going to cover the return of corrosion or rust.

Where I live has nothing to do with anything; I have lived in 4 different states (NJ, DE, WV, PA) and it's always been the same. If the paint bubbles or peels due to whatever is occurring underneath the paint, the warranty from any reputable body shop covers it. If it bubbles/peels because the shop failed to properly prep it, that's on them. Some shops that are aware of the nature of the problem will require panel replacement whereas others will simply seal it and repaint it. Their standard warranty applies unless the agreement states otherwise. It should go without saying that the warranty doesn't cover paint damaged due to accident, vandalism, neglect, etc.

Central Collision in Columbus, OH: "We provide a written guarantee of workmanship and a lifetime warranty on all auto body repairs and painting."

Green Township Collision in Cincinnati, OH: "We GUARANTEE our work on your vehicle for as long as you own the vehicle."

Nobody does that in NY either, not even the most well known body and collision shops. Could be regional thing.

Premier Collision in Nanuet: "Yes, we offer a Lifetime Warranty on all of our repair work for as long as you own the vehicle."

Hassell Bros. in Queens actually has a PDF stating: "The good shops all have a guarantee on all their parts, worksmanship and paint ... Do not accept less than three to five years on the paint." http://www.hassellbros.com/images/ConsumerGuide2.pdf

 

[chaos254]

Any corrosion repair under warranty has to follow the TSB which requires panel replacement. Ford originally allowed panels to prepped and painted but updated the TSB because the corrosion would come back

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[JExpedition07]

Again, Ford has not corrected the issue....they have no viable fix. The new panel will also be contaminated. Here is a 2016 Explorer with extensive hood bubbling:

 

[JExpedition07]

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[TobyU]

Where I live has nothing to do with anything; I have lived in 4 different states (NJ, DE, WV, PA) and it's always been the same. If the paint bubbles or peels due to whatever is occurring underneath the paint, the warranty from any reputable body shop covers it. If it bubbles/peels because the shop failed to properly prep it, that's on them. Some shops that are aware of the nature of the problem will require panel replacement whereas others will simply seal it and repaint it. Their standard warranty applies unless the agreement states otherwise. It should go without saying that the warranty doesn't cover paint damaged due to accident, vandalism, neglect, etc.

Central Collision in Columbus, OH: "We provide a written guarantee of workmanship and a lifetime warranty on all auto body repairs and painting."

Green Township Collision in Cincinnati, OH: "We GUARANTEE our work on your vehicle for as long as you own the vehicle."



Premier Collision in Nanuet: "Yes, we offer a Lifetime Warranty on all of our repair work for as long as you own the vehicle."

Hassell Bros. in Queens actually has a PDF stating: "The good shops all have a guarantee on all their parts, worksmanship and paint ... Do not accept less than three to five years on the paint." http://www.hassellbros.com/images/ConsumerGuide2.pdf

All I have ever seen them do is find some disclaimer and weasel. I will see if I can find anyone who had had rust bubbling paint fixed at a body shop and had them fix it for free when it comes back.
Probably like the "lifetime muffler" at shops.
Sure the muffler is free, but this pipe it goes onto is too weak to weld too etc or this small piece has to be repaired...money please.

 

[ynpmoose]

I have this just beginning on the edge of the tailgate on my '16. I bought it Ford Certified, and I'm at 60k miles. If they won't cover it, I'm considering a little sanding and about a 1-2" strip of rattle-can rubber undercoating. If the hood does it, I might do the same. I have bug guard up there anyway, so you won't even see it.

 

[cmiles97]

So with this much Salt after 1 day of driving after a car wash. I might as well expect bubbling?

 

[Dorzak]

The bubbling is not related to salt. It is due to iron contamination in either the aluminum panels or the paint. When iron and aluminum are in direct contact there is corrosion.

 

[Plati]

Not sure if this is in the other(10,000) threads on this ...

https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2018/ford-bubbling-paint-warranty-lawsuit.shtml

http://www.revbase.com/BBBMotor/TSb/DownloadPdf?id=201136

I still say sand it off and enjoy the look

 

[supermitch]

Thanks everyone for all the good (if depressing) info. I like the suggestion of the hand sand fix. Hell, nothing I do could make it look more ghetto than it looks now.