What to look for when buying a gen3 expy

[KYFarmin]

According to the 2017 brochure, 3.73 Limited-Slip axle is standard on EL models. Heavy-duty trailer tow is standard on all models except XLT (and, likely, SSV or XL base models). Heavy-duty trailer tow is part of the 202A package on XLT which also includes heated and cooled front seats, memory seats, power tilt-and-telescoping steering column, 8-inch display with SYNC 3, dual-zone climate control, ambient lighting, power liftgate, and power-fold 3rd row seats.

That helps a lot. Odd how most salesmen don’t know their products that well even at the brand dealers.


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[star-art]

This might help!

 

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Here's Part 2:

 

[2010ELExpy4x4]

Several blower motor resistors (finally had attach a heat sink to it with some modification).
Transmission bulkhead connector seal.
Leaking power steering cooler (cooler is incorporated into a/c condenser)

 

[bobmbx]

Odd how most salesmen don’t know their products that well even at the brand dealers.

LOL...no, it isn't.

 

[fe731as]

Reading throught this thread, it doesn't seem like too many terrible problems for this Gen Expy.
*We are going to look at an '07 EL 4x4 w/ 134k miles. Desert southwest, so should be rust-free.
Known issues: Trans replaced (under fact warranty?) a few years back. Engine was just replaced, w/ a host of new accessory parts(valve & head gasket issue w/ the original engine?). *New engine has 3yr - unlimited mile warranty. Asking price seems fair. *It's for sale at my local garage, where I take my cars for service(s) I can't/don't want to perform.
Still have my '03 Expy E.B. 4x4 w/ 217k miles...just not sure how much longer I can expect it to be reliable...

 

[Adieu]

Reading throught this thread, it doesn't seem like too many terrible problems for this Gen Expy.
*We are going to look at an '07 EL 4x4 w/ 134k miles. Desert southwest, so should be rust-free.
Known issues: Trans replaced (under fact warranty?) a few years back. Engine was just replaced, w/ a host of new accessory parts(valve & head gasket issue w/ the original engine?). *New engine has 3yr - unlimited mile warranty. Asking price seems fair. *It's for sale at my local garage, where I take my cars for service(s) I can't/don't want to perform.
Still have my '03 Expy E.B. 4x4 w/ 217k miles...just not sure how much longer I can expect it to be reliable...

What's this fair price?

COULD be a great deal with new engine and tranny... but then again, wth did they do to kill both of em in the first place???? They're pretty hardy units, and 134k is low mileage for a truck

Kinda makes you wonder how it got that abused

 

[1955moose]

I'm with Adieu on this one. Be careful, a new trans and motor at 137 k? Sounds like the past owner/owners were hard on the SUV. Is the selling garage offering any kind of warranty?

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[Adieu]

Oh yeah, something else to consider: would an '07 even normally sell for enough to cover a new engine swap??

And if it's a second hand engine on top of a replaced tranny, avoid like the plague unless they want like $3000 for it... not much more if it is new, either

Also, when buying older Expeditions, check against Navigators.... except for the transfer case (RWD/4A/4H no 4L) the mechanicals are all the same so service costs are identical, which people don't seem to realize. For example there's a no-accident '08 Gator 4x4 with 150k mi selling in Los Angeles for the princely sum of $7500... clean and loaded interior, too

 

[fe731as]

This one is listed for $10k locally - Las Vegas. Going prices for Expy's in Vegas are higher than most other areas. The engine is "new" 3 yr, unlimited mileage warranty. I've been taking my other cars there for service.
This shop has a repair history on the '07 going back to 75k miles. The previous engine had plugs replaced @ 132k miles - *By the dealership. They broke off the plug tip and left it in the cylinder....100 miles down the road, the valves tried to eat the tip, unsuccessfully. The shop has had it sitting for 2 years, and just replaced the engine, mid-December '18. The shop is offering 1 year/12k miles on the engine, w/ 6months on the rest of the drivetrain. I'm expecting that should be enough to discover any 'bugs' not immediately noticeable.

 

[Adieu]

This one is listed for $10k locally - Las Vegas. Going prices for Expy's in Vegas are higher than most other areas. The engine is "new" 3 yr, unlimited mileage warranty. I've been taking my other cars there for service.
This shop has a repair history on the '07 going back to 75k miles. The previous engine had plugs replaced @ 132k miles - *By the dealership. They broke off the plug tip and left it in the cylinder....100 miles down the road, the valves tried to eat the tip, unsuccessfully. The shop has had it sitting for 2 years, and just replaced the engine, mid-December '18. The shop is offering 1 year/12k miles on the engine, w/ 6months on the rest of the drivetrain. I'm expecting that should be enough to discover any 'bugs' not immediately noticeable.

Screw that, that's '09 Navigator money... and no plugs issues there, only '07 and early '08

If things really are so bad in Vegas, Los Angeles is 4 hours away

But check cargurus listings and craigslist, you might be surprised.

And avoid buying from repair shops, that's probably a mechanic's lien (think "foreclosed for unpaid services"), so the former owners were utter flakes

 

[Trainmaster]

Why in the world would you buy some Frankenstein truck that was messed with at best and utterly neglected at worst when you can find an unmolested, well cared for one-owner truck with the same mileage at the same price? I picked up my '08 two years ago with 70K miles for $12,000.

You really want to pay ten grand for something that was seriously monkey-hammered?

 

[fe731as]

Also considering '16 or '17 EL's, but don't have much confidence in the reliability of the Ecoboost engines.
And, I checked Craigslist LA, Phoenix, and Salt Lake City. Also CarGurus and Carfax listings. The prices for Expy's aren't significantly different than Las Vegas - a little less, but not drastically so. Only more available to choose from. Most are rental units w/ 50k miles.

 

[scythefwd]

My brother in law has been running an ecoboost for years in his f150.. While he doesnt haul heavy loads or trailors (he uses the bed for a laser engraver..) it's been nothing but reliable for him. My boss also runs a ecoboost in his f150.

 

[T Money]

I plan to buy a 2017 Expedition EL. I live in Utah, but what is available to buy is mostly prior rental units. I found one I liked, but it had a whistling noise from the cabin a/c that they couldn't/ wouldn't fix. Is this typical of the Expys?

I'm looking at another 2017 Expy EL today. It was a rental in Missouri. I know to check for rust, what's the limit on this? Any surface rust or do these things really rust through?

My preference is not a rental unit, it's just what's available in Utah. No one is trading in their Expys around here.

 

[star-art]

I had a whistling noise coming from the A/C vents in my 2009. I just learned to live with it and never tried to fix it. No idea what was causing it.

If you're shopping for an XLT, I recommend getting a truck with the 202a package (heated/cooled seats, etc.) but without a moon roof. There are many reports of water leaks from trucks with the moon roof. For some reason, there seems to be more leaking 2017s than other years.

Also, get under whatever truck you want to buy and inspect the underside. There's no special coating on the steering knuckles and drivetrain parts. These will always have surface rust on them and they can look pretty bad. If it's a lot heavier than mere surface rust, though, be careful. Also check the mounting points for the running boards and carefully inspect the back side of the entire rocker panel area (i.e. on each side below the doors). This is one of the spots that is most notorious for rusting through.

 

[T Money]

Any thoughts on limited vs. Platinum? I'm still looking to buy a 2017 EL. Is the leather that much nicer? That seems to be the biggest difference.

 

[star-art]

I wanted to buy a Platinum but they were just too expensive. If you can afford it, that's the way to go. Make sure to get one with the CCD ride option (if it has 22-inch factory wheels, it will have CCD). It's really comfortable. It also comes standard with BLIS which is otherwise hard to find.

Yes, the leather is that much nicer! It's the same leather you'd get in a Navigator. The seats feel much more plush and comfortable compared to the Limited or XLT which is more stiff. One problem though is the "Agate Tuxedo stripe" in the Platinum wears prematurely when getting in and out of the truck.

 

[T Money]

Thanks for the info! All of the platinums here have 20 inch wheels. Seems odd. Price difference on a used 2017 limited vs. Platinum is about $6,000. I can afford it. Just want to make sure it's worth it. It'll be my DD and TV. I currently drive a suburban LTZ; it's like sitting in a lazy-boy recliner when I drive!

 

[JExpedition07]

I’d recommend driving a King Ranch. The Interior is noticeably better than the Platinum if you want to look at top trim levels. The Platinum is just leather inserts on otherwise vinyl seats vs genuine leather everywhere. Much nicer exterior and rims on KR as well.