What Grade of Gas are you using?

[Fozzy]

The secret to E30,50 85. Is the tuning.


https://5startuning.com/now-released-e30-e50-tunes-for-your-2017-2019-f150-3-5l-ecoboost/


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[LokiWolf]

The secret to E30,50 85. Is the tuning.


https://5startuning.com/now-released-e30-e50-tunes-for-your-2017-2019-f150-3-5l-ecoboost/


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Yep! And running an aftermarket Pump to do it safely over E50 on most EB’s.

MANY Tuners other than 5Star, but an excellent example.

But my point earlier, was even a Stock Motor can see an improvement with a little increase of Ethanol.

He keeps on insisting the fuel system can’t handle it from a chemical reactivity standpoint, and he is WRONG!


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[LokiWolf]

Sir, you are the one making sketchy, ******* advise and claims. "Benefits you can feel", "motor is even stronger", "Modern technology?" "fun with Ethanol" come on man. Mixing fuel, will only lower your MPG. Ethanol absorbs moisture and deteriorates metals. It has 1/3 less energy content.

Hahahahaha!

Just proves you don’t truly understand Ethanol. Less energy per volume, but also WAY less cost per volume. The cost per Mile is a wash.

The Octane, and evaporative cooling benefits FAR outweigh the less energy.

I have MPG numbers that show NO loss in MPG tank to tank in my Expedition running 93 Octane E10(Ethanol Content our local gas stays at +/- 1%) vs E20(Adding a couple gallons of E85). Logging you see less KR(Knock Retards). In addition, you can feel more power. Since I don’t have a Dyno at my house, no way to to quantify.

In my opinion it is FUN. Get more power without changing Turbo’s, or anything physically.

People are running Ethanol mixes in EB equipped Fords ALL over the place, far exceeding the limit of 15% in the manual. I even linked a video to a Mustang running on E85, that was basically stock, and running a tune. It saw a significant power gain!

Here is a video of an 18+ Expy on E50, no changes to the fuel system. It does have an intake, aftermarket intercooler and upgraded downpipe/cats.


Again, E50 with NO fuel system changes.

This is Modern technology, using tuning that is now commonly available especially via HP Tuner tuning options.

Nothing Sketchy! I am especially not being a *******. I have proven with science, videos, and personal experience that I am correct.

Other than statements that I have proven wrong at every step, what have you brought to the conversation?



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[Wangle]

Premium in general has no less Ethanol than 87. Trust me, I have tested A LOT of Pumps.

I look for the posting at the pump. At this particular “top-tier “major station that I use frequently, the premium is ethanol free. Add another discount station I use occasionally because it is top-tier, QT, the mid grade is posted as ethanol free. I watch this because I will NEVER put ethanol gas in my boat. So, great point Lokiwolf! Watch the pump labels, and hopefully we can trust those.

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[LokiWolf]

Yes the labeling is important.

Most states no longer allow Non-Ethanol, because of the whole MTBE ban.


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[Wangle]

Premium in general has no less Ethanol than 87. Trust me, I have tested A LOT of Pumps.


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Great point LockiWolf! I get fuel at two places, BP and QT, both designated top tier. BP premium at the stations I frequent are labeled at the pump that premium is ethanol free. At my QT stations the mid grade is ethanol free. I watch this, as I will NEVER put an ethanol blend in my boat. So pay attention to the labels on the pump. Hopefully we can trust those.

 

[rjdelp7]

Hahahahaha!

Just proves you don’t truly understand Ethanol. Less energy per volume, but also WAY less cost per volume. The cost per Mile is a wash.

The Octane, and evaporative cooling benefits FAR outweigh the less energy.

I have MPG numbers that show NO loss in MPG tank to tank in my Expedition running 93 Octane E10(Ethanol Content our local gas stays at +/- 1%) vs E20(Adding a couple gallons of E85). Logging you see less KR(Knock Retards). In addition, you can feel more power. Since I don’t have a Dyno at my house, no way to to quantify.

In my opinion it is FUN. Get more power without changing Turbo’s, or anything physically.

People are running Ethanol mixes in EB equipped Fords ALL over the place, far exceeding the limit of 15% in the manual. I even linked a video to a Mustang running on E85, that was basically stock, and running a tune. It saw a significant power gain!

Here is a video of an 18+ Expy on E50, no changes to the fuel system. It does have an intake, aftermarket intercooler and upgraded downpipe/cats.


Again, E50 with NO fuel system changes.

This is Modern technology, using tuning that is now commonly available especially via HP Tuner tuning options.

Nothing Sketchy! I am especially not being a *******. I have proven with science, videos, and personal experience that I am correct.

Other than statements that I have proven wrong at every step, what have you brought to the conversation?



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That youboob video is fake. It's been in the Expedition Forum before. $2500 in 'mods' and using E50. The guy even shows the capless fill that says E15.

 

[LokiWolf]

That youboob video is fake. It's been in the Expedition Forum before.

The video is not FAKE. Some of what they did like run against a stock Mustang, and over exaggerate the Crank Numbers is a little ridiculous, but the gains are still legit, and they were running off of E50.

Dude, you are dense!


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[rjdelp7]

The video is not FAKE. Some of what they did like run against a stock Mustang, and over exaggerate the Crank Numbers is a little ridiculous, but the gains are still legit, and they were running off of E50.

Dude, you are dense!


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They don't mention the 'mods' and fuel until near the end. They don't actually show the mods. They skip over that part...Your the fool to give these clowns $699(to tune), based on this video.

 

[LokiWolf]

They don't mention the 'mods' and fuel until near the end. They don't actually show the mods. They skip over that part...Your the fool to give these clowns $699(to tune), based on this video.

Dude. Seriously dense!

Andre mentions the Mods at 1:15 into the video! Listen to the words...I know it is hard.

The E50 is clearly shown notated on the Dyno chart every time they show it.

$699 includes the NGuage, which can be used with other Tuners and vehicles other than the Expy. It can be moved. That is a fair price including hardware. Name one mod on any NA Motor for less that gets you that much gain! Not to mention better shifting and throttle response. I’ll be waiting.

I don’t recommend 5Star in anyway, there are better out there. But that is a completely separate discussion.



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