FWIW, the Yukon has a panoramic roof. I'm surprised the Sierra doesn't since the F-150 offers it. I'm also getting used to the button shifter. It's fine, but I liked the rotary dial on the Expedition. I would have been ok with a column shifter, but I guess those are being phased out.
Expediton Vs. 23 Yukon Denali Ultimate
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Yes true about the pano roof. I was not comparing apples to apples on that. I do like the low profile rotary knob of the Expy. I thought when I got my 2018 that I would hate it, but I grew to like it quite quickly. The shifter on the Sierra is not like the Yukons push button on the dash, it reminds me a lot of the Grand Cherokee's gear shifter. It's big and takes up a bit of real estate, but like I said I guess there are worse things to complain about.
I havent driven the new Sierra, but of it rides better than the expy, that's a feat. I driven the new ram on air springs, and it rides great, but not better than my nav does. He'll, without the air springs, the yukon doesn't ride better than my nav either. I havent driven a denali with air springs though.
Man the new Sierra must ride nice, but the journalists still say the rams is the class standard in ride quality. We test drove a 22 ram ltd with air springs, it's a smooth rider. However, I didnt believe it rode better than my 20 nav, which doesn't ride better than the 22 nav. From my experience, atleast before the new ones, the gm pickups ride nice until you hit road imperfections, then the ride quickly deteriorates. I also haven't driven a gm suv with both magnet ride and air springs. every denali we drove had just magnet ride, and as such was just as firm as an expy with base springs, just slightly better riding. Same way our nav in sport mode rides. My dads escalade is just the air springs and from what I remember, it's somewhat lumpy at low speeds but cruises the highway better than anything I've been in so far. I can do a more thorough comparo by the end of the next wk.
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I'm not sure it rides better than a Navi as I have never driven one. My comparison was between my Platinum and the 1500 Denali. My "seat of the pants" feeling was that the Denali rode smoother and less choppy than my Expy. That is all.
I would think the nav and expy plat drive similar mostly. I actually like the Sierra denali honestly, the main thing I dnt like about it is it doesn't have a pano roof. I was nervous that its ride was not as good as a ram or f150 (ive driven both) mainly from journalist reviews but now I'm more curious from what you wrote. Does yours have the adaptive mrc?
I have already extended my lease on my Platinum 4X4 hoping this equipment "delete" fiasco would end. So I am looking at the Grand Wagoneer, looks really good and plush and some have massage seats (at a price) and hud, also an optional engine. I can't call the Wagoneer engine an upgrade because of what it replaces (6.4L) but has me looking hard at that new 5.0L. I keep thinking what a bargain my Expy Plat is when compared price wise to the Wagoneer, Yukon Denali, Tahoe, Escalade. There's a 10 to 20K extra difference. I an figuring it will come down to residual values since I cannot commit to a maximum price. That Grand Wagoneer is at the top of my list btw, there is a series III that has my attention, attached is the MONRONEY. The features and options are unreal...but at $105K it better be, there was another that had a MSRP OF $115+. Then I noticed the $105K model is a 2022 and does not have the 24 way massage seats but has a separate passenger interactive display and night vision, full speed AEB. Maybe I should consider a new Vette instead at that price and then a smaller pick up truck. Decisions!
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Yeah a few things I felt they "cheaped out" on. Like Pano roof, ambient lighting and power ports. I literally have ZERO ports like 120v or 12v up front. It does have a USB and a USB-C in the cubby up front, but mine lost the wireless charging option due to shortages. It also has a 120v in the center armrest but I feel that is a bit too far from being useful. But no 12v is pretty crappy, IMO (yes I know about the blendmounts, but recently been reading that some GM's are getting their side mirrors blowing up due to the over-amperage through the mirror mounts).
I couldn't justify paying $20K more for the Wagoneer. Liked the way the interior looks, but the rear quarter of the Wagoneer looks weird to me and only marginally looks good in dark colors. The usability of the third row and the ample room in the Max at the price point was good for us. The Wagoneer has even more room inside, but wasn't worth it to me.
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This is my take on the Wagoneer as well.
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I think the new Grand Wagoneer will have the Hurricane I-6 much like the Charger and Challenger muscle cars.
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I have to agree with you, 20K more for the Grand Wagoneer despite all the (novel for large suv's) additional features is not making sense me either. Given the market now and the changes to electric or hybrid even getting closer each model year. Maybe I should buy mine off lease and an extended warranty.
It was the same for me for the Navigator and Escalade. I know lots of reviews say if you are looking at 85-90k for an Expedition you should also look at the Navigator, but to get what I would want on that it was an additional $20k, didn't make sense. We really like the Limited SPP we bought. It's got more than we need and while we haven't had it that long it's been great so far.
My wife and I were kind of the opposite. We tested a nav and then a plat expy. We were initially looking to see if the nav was worth the extra money. We went away feeling the nav was the better buy for the money. It's true, to get the extra goodies like bluecruise(which is now standard on standard trim for my23), massage seats(fantastic), heads up display and 29 speaker revel(fantastic), you had to spend an extra 10k, but to get the nav outfitted like an expy, its actually cheaper than all the premium expy trims starting and you get more stuff in the nav. The spp (and kr) expys are even more expensive then the platinum, just for the power upgrade and nothing else. Our problem was we couldn't find a standard new nav, which was less than all the expy plats we found, and even then, lincoln wanted no words on discounted prices. The standard nav is only giving up the massage seats to the expy plat, but for late 22, ford wasn't selling any plats with the feature. Nav comes with more standard features and upgrades out the box. Expy mainly has a cheaper stereo upgrade, but to be honest, to our ears, we both thought the 14 speaker revel is better than the 22 speaker b&o, which was important to us. You also get cooled second row seats and the 13in screen interface is better than the 15in interface in the expy. The ride in the nav is a bit better too. Lastly, the interior material quality blows the expy away. The build quality is really good, but my wife's biggest disappoinment with the 22 expy, she felt our 18 expy had a better feeling interior and the main reason for wanting the nav. However, if you want the lwb version or tow, the above doesn't apply, which we didn't need either. I also realize that for my23, lincoln jacked up all the pkg and std pricing for nav, I'm talking specifically for my22s.
I would've liked to get a 22 nav, hell a 22 expy, but we rele do love our 20 nav, esp now during this trip. I love(and missed) how quick the navs ride quality puts my passengers to sleep. The expy wasn't so cosseting in the ride department.
I would've liked to get a 22 nav, hell a 22 expy, but we rele do love our 20 nav, esp now during this trip. I love(and missed) how quick the navs ride quality puts my passengers to sleep. The expy wasn't so cosseting in the ride department.
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You know, it's weird. GMC can put the biggest, chrome grille on their trucks and suvs, and journalists eat it up. But if ford or any other company does, it's gaudy and "too much". Too each his own.
Speaking of, my parents had came to our home before I deployed last week. They brought the caddy. Not much if my opinion changed. Since the caddy is newer platform, it quieter and more solid, less shaky. Seats are still firmer, but more accommodating for all sizes and shapes. Feels wider too. I like it, but can't afford it, even used.
Speaking of, my parents had came to our home before I deployed last week. They brought the caddy. Not much if my opinion changed. Since the caddy is newer platform, it quieter and more solid, less shaky. Seats are still firmer, but more accommodating for all sizes and shapes. Feels wider too. I like it, but can't afford it, even used.
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Which did you was easier and more comfy to ride in?
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