Bad design of the spark plug port wells in the head

[CertusExpo]

I'm constantly getting pools of fluid in the spark plug port wells so I started wondering.
Is it possible to drill weep holes that will allow any fluid to drain out of the wells?
I'm tired of chronically shorting COPs and/or fouled plugs.

 

[maxxplatinum9137]

I'm constantly getting pools of fluid in the spark plug port wells so I started wondering.
Is it possible to drill weep holes that will allow any fluid to drain out of the wells?
I'm tired of chronically shorting COPs and/or fouled plugs.

Lol what kind of question is this? You want to drill holes in the spark plug wells to get rid of fluid? Why don’t you find out where the fluid is coming from and fix that. Come on man you’ve been “customizing trucks since I was 7 with my legos” and you think drilling a weep hole in the spark plug well is a good idea?

 

[CertusExpo]

Lol what kind of question is this? You want to drill holes in the spark plug wells to get rid of fluid? Why don’t you find out where the fluid is coming from and fix that. Come on man you’ve been “customizing trucks since I was 7 with my legos” and you think drilling a weep hole in the spark plug well is a good idea?

The fluid is water being tossed up into the engine bay by the big lugs on mud terrain tires.
I don't baby my Expy... She gets dirty, muddy, and water innevitably drains down into the spark plug wells.
My question is valid and that would be a mod. Creating drain holes for each of the wells.

 

[maxxplatinum9137]

The fluid is water being tossed up into the engine bay by the big lugs on mud terrain tires.
I don't baby my Expy... She gets dirty, muddy, and water innevitably drains down into the spark plug wells.
My question is valid and that would be a mod. Creating drain holes for each of the wells.

Lol you must be a special person. Good luck with your “mod” hope someone helps you out

 

[Hamfisted]

What cylinders are you usually finding water in their plug wells ? If it's the very rear cylinders make sure your hood cowl weatherstrip is still there and water isn't running off the windshield cowl and onto the top of the motor. Are your front wheelwell liners gone ? And no, you can not drill any holes in the sparkplug wells.










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[Fastcar]

You might have to get a few hunks of rubber or something to make a shield of some sort to block the intrusion points.
Drilling drain holes isn't going to cut it imo.

 

[maxxplatinum9137]

What cylinders are you usually finding water in their plug wells ? If it's the very rear cylinders make sure your hood cowl weatherstrip is still there and water isn't running off the windshield cowl and onto the top of the motor. Are your front wheelwell liners gone ? And no, you can not drill any holes in the sparkplug wells.




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Yeah this guy is special thinking it’s ok to drill holes in the wells

 

[CertusExpo]

Yeah this guy is special thinking it’s ok to drill holes in the wells

Seriously... I thought this was the whole purpose of a forum? To come forth with a problem and a theoretical solution then ask for opinions. At least that's what it used to be.

Heads are machined, ported, polished, modded, and even custom designed for race. So why is it so outlandish to think in theory, a drainage hole could be drilled as long as it doesn't of course intersect with an oil or coolant passage? It would simply go from the lowest measured point of the spark plug well to the outside edge of the head.
I thought of asking for a couple junk 5.4 heads to test drill all eight spark plug wells and see if any oil or coolant passages are hit. If they are, at least I can then see where they route and if a hole could be successfully drilled at a different angle that would serve the wanted result.

Our vehicles have ******, engineered to break away aluminum lower control arms so was it stupid of me to have mine gusseted with aircraft aluminum stock for increased strength? Mods are what some of us do. We don't do bolt-ons. We ponder, we theorize, we dream up solutions and then find a way to make them reality.

Scoff all you want. Maybe that's all you have going for you.

 

[CertusExpo]

What cylinders are you usually finding water in their plug wells ? If it's the very rear cylinders make sure your hood cowl weatherstrip is still there and water isn't running off the windshield cowl and onto the top of the motor. Are your front wheelwell liners gone ? And no, you can not drill any holes in the sparkplug wells.




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There aren't any tears on that gasket although I thought of that. I could add some soft weatherstripping to the underside of the hood.

Cylinders 1, 2, 5, & 6 are the ones that get it the worst.

 

[maxxplatinum9137]

Seriously... I thought this was the whole purpose of a forum? To come forth with a problem and a theoretical solution then ask for opinions. At least that's what it used to be.

Heads are machined, ported, polished, modded, and even custom designed for race. So why is it so outlandish to think in theory, a drainage hole could be drilled as long as it doesn't of course intersect with an oil or coolant passage? It would simply go from the lowest measured point of the spark plug well to the outside edge of the head.
I thought of asking for a couple junk 5.4 heads to test drill all eight spark plug wells and see if any oil or coolant passages are hit. If they are, at least a can then see where they route and if a hole could be successfully drilled at other angles that would serve the wanted result.

Our vehicles have ******, engineered to break away aluminum lower control arms so was it stupid of me to have mine gusseted with aircraft aluminum stock for increased strength? Mods are what some of us do. We don't do bolt-ons. We ponder, we theorize, we dream up solutions and then find a way to make them reality.

Scoff all you want. Maybe that's all you have going for you.

Lol ok keep having fun customizing trucks that way. Your loss

 

[Fastcar]

I'm wondering how your getting more water on the engine from your tires than from a torrential downpour. Are you bogging it and getting it partially submerged in the process? Is the water coming in over the hood or from the wheel well?
This to me seems like a pretty easy fix just some sort of fab work.

 

[maxxplatinum9137]

I'm wondering how your getting more water on the engine from your tires than from a torrential downpour. Are you bogging it and getting it partially submerged in the process? Is the water coming in over the hood or from the wheel well?
This to me seems like a pretty easy fix just some sort of fab work.

Hey man just let this guy drill his holes ok, he seems to think you can just put holes all over the wells to drain his fluids lol

 

[sjwelds]

It seems like a better use of time to theorize a better seal for the COP. Me personally, I use dielectric grease on the top lip of the COP where it meets the head. Haven't had a problem yet, but I don't drive like the OP I don't think lol

 

[Fastcar]

Hey man just let this guy drill his holes ok, he seems to think you can just put holes all over the wells to drain his fluids lol

Damn! WTH was I thinking? You are probably correct.

 

[CertusExpo]

Lol ok keep having fun customizing trucks that way. Your loss

Mmmkay... enough. So much sass from someone with ONE picture in their media file of a bone stock F-150

 

[CertusExpo]

I've also thought of that possibility as BMW is famous for having a cover wtih a gasket that seals all the plugs/COPs water tight as well as having a seal around each COP using the seal shown in my attachement.

It seems like a better use of time to theorize a better seal for the COP. Me personally, I use dielectric grease on the top lip of the COP where it meets the head. Haven't had a problem yet, but I don't drive like the OP I don't think lol

I have also thought of this. Tried creating an 'umbrella' of sorts using silicone sheeting however, can't seem to find one thick enough without having to buy it in bulk.
Have also looked into using a spark plug tube seal from a BMW or 300Z but the sizing is the limitation. Looking for a manufacturer that has a large aftermarket assortment that they manufacture so they can match the spec size I would need. (Pictured)
I am also looking into simply replacing my ignition system to delete the COP's and replace with good ol' fashioned plug wires as many are made with a seal at the end that POSITIVELY seals the tube closed. It would take some re-wiring and synchronization but is possible.


although expensive.

 

[CertusExpo]

Hey man just let this guy drill his holes ok, he seems to think you can just put holes all over the wells to drain his fluids lol

You are a sad little dude huh? Figures..... you're from Washington state. Stick to being on your knees as you're probably proficient at that and have callouses to prove it because you sure don't have any from working on or modding your truck.

 

[Fastcar]

You are a sad little dude huh? Figures..... you're from Washington state. Stick to being on your knees as you're probably proficient at that and have callouses to prove it because you sure don't have any from working on or modding your truck.

Ya know when you go down this rabbit hole somebody will probably reply that while you babel about someone being on their knees you are on your elbows. It will go on and on. So, maybe give it a rest.

 

[JUST4FUN]

Hey man just let this guy drill his holes ok, he seems to think you can just put holes all over the wells to drain his fluids lol

You have badgered him sence the beginning of
"HIS" post , what he does with HIS truck is none of YOUR concern " move on "

 

[CertusExpo]

You have badgered him sence the beginning of
"HIS" post , what he does with HIS truck is none of YOUR concern " move on "

Ya know when you go down this rabbit hole somebody will probably reply that while you babel about someone being on their knees you are on your elbows. It will go on and on. So, maybe give it a rest.

I tried dude. I really did but after four separate instances of badgering without offering any helpful feedback I bit back.

I've been on here for a while, you may have as well but I've never ever been badgered or ridiculed for asking opinions of forum peers.
There is/was this one member who would offer schematics and incredibly helpful feedback.

What happened to THAT forum??

And then on top of that, he reports me and then has the lack of logic to call me a "Karen"