Rear Sway bar?

[bryz_expy]

Is the general consensus to upgrade the end links in the front with the energy suspension links? My Expedition has almost 30k on it.

Energy Suspension 9.8121G End Link Set with Hardware https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000CNB5J...abc_EQXZ4GCRKDPN3QB8KZWW?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Is it worth discussing directly with Energy again and seeing if they can put a kit together specific to our vehicle without any modifications


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[5280tunage]

I contacted them and they didn't seem to eager to take that on. I just used the above mentioned kit and cut the sleeve a bit. Technically, I think you can get them on without cutting the sleeve, but you'll have to somehow compress the bushing a bunch to get the nut on. Maybe a ratcheting tie down or something? The bolt just wasn't long enough to get through all of the parts without it, so cutting sleeve gave me enough threads to grab onto. You might also be able to find a longer bolt, but then you may not have enough threads to crank it down far enough.

I liked that the energy setup has no moving parts really, and has bushings below and above each connective point. To be clear, I had no issues with the front factory end links, and I kept them just in case but I know a few folks have had theirs break after installing the new bars so I just wanted to avoid that while on the road if possible. Sad that the factory ones are that close to failure as is. One could argue enough force off road with a factory bar could like break those then.

But I believe even the Moog setup would work just fine as well, but I would only buy ones that move if they have zerks on them, to keep the clean and lubed.

I also talked to Hellwig about it, they didn't have any good ideas on end links and were pretty shocked to hear that some were breaking.

 

[bryz_expy]

Thanks 5280tunage. I may go the same route and use the kit you used. Whereabouts in Colorado are you? I’m in Parker (SE of Denver)


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[TexasDan]

Hi folks. Got the sway bars on order. Curious if anyone knows the approximate length of them? (If they don't fit in the back of the Max with the lift gate closed, will have to work out another means of transporting them to a family member's house for the install.)

Also following the broken end links thread and recommended Moog part #'s. Curious if the Amazon comments (Moog K750074, Amazon B002FS6LD0) regarding the need to lubricate often to avoid squeaks is a widespread experience or fringe case. Any recommendations there?

"I must grease these Moog links every few hundred miles."

Thanks! Dan

 

[Gillbrak]

Hi folks. Got the sway bars on order. Curious if anyone knows the approximate length of them? (If they don't fit in the back of the Max with the lift gate closed, will have to work out another means of transporting them to a family member's house for the install.)

Also following the broken end links thread and recommended Moog part #'s. Curious if the Amazon comments (Moog K750074, Amazon B002FS6LD0) regarding the need to lubricate often to avoid squeaks is a widespread experience or fringe case. Any recommendations there?

"I must grease these Moog links every few hundred miles."

Thanks! Dan

They’ll fit in the back no problem.


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[sjwhiteley]

Hi folks. Got the sway bars on order. Curious if anyone knows the approximate length of them? (If they don't fit in the back of the Max with the lift gate closed, will have to work out another means of transporting them to a family member's house for the install.)

Also following the broken end links thread and recommended Moog part #'s. Curious if the Amazon comments (Moog K750074, Amazon B002FS6LD0) regarding the need to lubricate often to avoid squeaks is a widespread experience or fringe case. Any recommendations there?

"I must grease these Moog links every few hundred miles."

Thanks! Dan

While I cannot comment on these endlinks on the Expedition, I've used Moog on a Suburban and a Subaru. They had grease nipples. They didn't need lubricating that often, just did it when rotating the tires. If you don't have a decent grease gun, it can be a chore. When you do your oil change and tire rotation, you are doing your '21 point inspection' as well, right?

 

[5280tunage]

While I cannot comment on these endlinks on the Expedition, I've used Moog on a Suburban and a Subaru. They had grease nipples. They didn't need lubricating that often, just did it when rotating the tires. If you don't have a decent grease gun, it can be a chore. When you do your oil change and tire rotation, you are doing your '21 point inspection' as well, right?

Speaking of, I haven't really seen any zerks under these things. Are there any we should pay attention to?

 

[Deadman]

Speaking of, I haven't really seen any zerks under these things. Are there any we should pay attention to?

No they come with basic 1/2 ton junk components, so they are not grazable, so they are all worn out at 100,000 miles.

3/4 tons get the good greasable parts....

 

[whizkid]

Wife’s ‘19 had a horrible bounce and turned out that the shocks had all failed prematurely. Got them replaced under warranty. Still thinking about adding the rear bar though. My ‘17 rear bars came in but haven’t had time to put them in yet. Hoping to do it as soon as it warms up a bit. . .


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[Deadman]

Wife’s ‘19 had a horrible bounce and turned out that the shocks had all failed prematurely. Got them replaced under warranty. Still thinking about adding the rear bar though. My ‘17 rear bars came in but haven’t had time to put them in yet. Hoping to do it as soon as it warms up a bit. . .


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The standard lower trim Shocks are all junk by 20,000 miles..... The sway bars aren't stopping any up and down bounce, they'e stopping the side to side movement as they borrow spring rate from the other side.

 

[JimW]

OK, now my backordered sway bar order has been cancelled.
Any suggestions on were to order from?
Thanks

 

[DWs-TTEB]

Try direct from Hellwig.

 

[Chio4]

I have both front an rear bars. are you guys replacing the links on both? or just the rear?

 

[DWs-TTEB]

I have both front an rear bars. are you guys replacing the links on both? or just the rear?

Both.

 

[Lou Hamilton]

What is the total cost of both front and rear sway bars plus new Moog ends?

Also, what tools do you need to change these out? I don't have a bunch of tools, but ight be willing to buy some.

 

[Chio4]

Both.

Mine is squeaking after the last snow

 

[MHay]

What is the total cost of both front and rear sway bars plus new Moog ends?

Also, what tools do you need to change these out? I don't have a bunch of tools, but ight be willing to buy some.

It’s about $550 total for front and rear. The Moog end links are about $35 for the pair.

You’ll need a 15mm deep socket for the frame mounts, and to remove the stock end links you need a 6mm to hold the bolt and a 15mm wrench to remove the nuts. The Moogs need a 15mm socket and 18mm wrench.

Edit: These tools are for the rear only. I haven’t installed the front yet.

 

[Deadman]

My factory end links are holding up fine so far....

 

[Lou Hamilton]

It’s about $550 total for front and rear. The Moog end links are about $35 for the pair.

You’ll need a 15mm deep socket for the frame mounts, and to remove the stock end links you need a 6mm to hold the bolt and a 15mm wrench to remove the nuts. The Moogs need a 15mm socket and 18mm wrench.

Edit: These tools are for the rear only. I haven’t installed the front yet.

Thanks!

Looks like I need to invest in some metric wrenches. I think I have those sockets, but the wrenches are questionable.


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[Squark]

My factory end links are holding up fine so far....

I've only seen one report of a link breaking and there was some speculation that using an impact wrench on the bolts might have caused the failure. Have others had a failure? I have the sway bars on order but wasn't planning on replacing the factory links unless they're really needed.