2018 Expedition HD Tow pkg potential upgrades

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Well ballzzzzzz!!!
I finally received what I thought was going to be a 4" catback exhaust. Opened the box, and thought it looked small. Took the protective wrap off one end, grabbed the measuring tape and what do you know...3"!!!
Dah ****!
Anyhoo, I'm grateful in an odd way that it isn't 4", since I'd really wanted to install it!

So I started this thread, because I felt I was sort hijacking another's thread regarding tuning.
Eventually I plan to...
4" cat back exhaust
SPD bored intake manifolds
SPD turbo adaptors
3" hi flow cat downpipe
Hugenormous intercooler
Boostmax/Pedalmax

I have a Setina center push bumper model PB400, on the way, I think it's about 1-2 weeks from getting here. They're built to order, mine is Aluminum, retains the OEM tow hooks.

 

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Oh, here's a link to one of the F-150 forums, and a thread about ACTUAL dragstrip quarter mile times...

https://www.f150forum.com/f123/official-quarter-mile-time-list-402621/

 

[Blackscreen67]

Oh, here's a link to one of the F-150 forums, and a thread about ACTUAL dragstrip quarter mile times...

https://www.f150forum.com/f123/official-quarter-mile-time-list-402621/

Based on the stock 3.5l ecoboost numbers on there.... and factoring 500 extra lbs for the expedition I'm saying 14.8 factory.

 

[edizzle]

Well ballzzzzzz!!!
I finally received what I thought was going to be a 4" catback exhaust. Opened the box, and thought it looked small. Took the protective wrap off one end, grabbed the measuring tape and what do you know...3"!!!
Dah ****!
Anyhoo, I'm grateful in an odd way that it isn't 4", since I'd really wanted to install it!

So I started this thread, because I felt I was sort hijacking another's thread regarding tuning.
Eventually I plan to...
4" cat back exhaust
SPD bored intake manifolds
SPD turbo adaptors
3" hi flow cat downpipe
Hugenormous intercooler
Boostmax/Pedalmax

I have a Setina center push bumper model PB400, on the way, I think it's about 1-2 weeks from getting here. They're built to order, mine is Aluminum, retains the OEM tow hooks.

damn why would you do all that and not get a real tune? would surely outperform the boostmax, pedal max

 

[Mike Wolfe]

Well ballzzzzzz!!!
I finally received what I thought was going to be a 4" catback exhaust. Opened the box, and thought it looked small. Took the protective wrap off one end, grabbed the measuring tape and what do you know...3"!!!
Dah ****!
Anyhoo, I'm grateful in an odd way that it isn't 4", since I'd really wanted to install it!

So I started this thread, because I felt I was sort hijacking another's thread regarding tuning.
Eventually I plan to...
4" cat back exhaust
SPD bored intake manifolds
SPD turbo adaptors
3" hi flow cat downpipe
Hugenormous intercooler
Boostmax/Pedalmax

I have a Setina center push bumper model PB400, on the way, I think it's about 1-2 weeks from getting here. They're built to order, mine is Aluminum, retains the OEM tow hooks.

Well I truly you hope see something significant from your sizeable investment
Remember that all that does does not recalibrate your transmission so I would be concerned about transmission durability
Really though you should get a tune designed to work with all of your upgrades that does indeed reprogram the trans to match the improved engine output

BTW
A stock pickup with 3:31 gears & 93 octane tune did
2. Dday0644 13.484 @ 100.12
-2017 SuperCrew 5.5' 4WD 3.31 10speed-
-MPT 93 Performance Tune-
3:73 gears in our EXPY would make for a lot quicker vehicle with the same calibration

Best of luck with all of your upgrades

 

[Black]

Have you watched any YouTube videos on the SPD intake manifolds???

Why on earth would you want to spend that much money to loose so much torque??

 

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Based on the stock 3.5l ecoboost numbers on there.... and factoring 500 extra lbs for the expedition I'm saying 14.8 factory.

uple of things I'm not

Based on the stock 3.5l ecoboost numbers on there.... and factoring 500 extra lbs for the expedition I'm saying 14.8 factory.

Couple things I'm not sure you factored in...
Any 3.5 ET's from that link that are from Pre 2017 F-150 aren't really directly comparable.

The F-150 in 2017 received the same spec power train as we did in 2018.

The F-150 HD Tow pkg only gets 3.55 axle ratio vs 3.73 in Expedition. Granted a 3.73 ratio is available in the F150, just not with the rapid spec Hd Tow pkg.

Also very interesting to note was the fellow named Mark...
Update new time slips only difference from the [email protected] mph pass was 93 octane otherwise still Bone Stock and Traction Control off
His two runs with 93 octane gas as the only change were 14.33 and 14.34

 

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damn why would you do all that and not get a real tune? would surely outperform the boostmax, pedal max

Yes, I agree, but I'm not sold on what is currently available, it's almost a monopoly at the moment. I'm not saying I won't, end up with a tune, just that what is available vs. what I hope will soon be available...I can only comment on what IS available NOW. If by the time I decide to seek some type of fueling strategy change, and the current TWO companies that actually write to the ECU, are still the "only two in town" I'll do the aforementioned, and call it good enough.

 

[Blackscreen67]

uple of things I'm not


Couple things I'm not sure you factored in...
Any 3.5 ET's from that link that are from Pre 2017 F-150 aren't really directly comparable.

The F-150 in 2017 received the same spec power train as we did in 2018.

The F-150 HD Tow pkg only gets 3.55 axle ratio vs 3.73 in Expedition. Granted a 3.73 ratio is available in the F150, just not with the rapid spec Hd Tow pkg.

Also very interesting to note was the fellow named Mark...
Update new time slips only difference from the [email protected] mph pass was 93 octane otherwise still Bone Stock and Traction Control off
His two runs with 93 octane gas as the only change were 14.33 and 14.34

That Mark guys truck was the 2017 i was comparing too. The factory tuning for our ecoboost motors is really bad on a roll compared to from a dig. There are fueling limiter in place I can feel when toying around. I noticed in 10th gear the turbos like to spool around 1600rpm which is great for milege, but the spool is very large in every other gear except 1st.

 

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Have you watched any YouTube videos on the SPD intake manifolds???

Why on earth would you want to spend that much money to loose so much torque??

LOL! That poor bastard was ripped off, and doesn't even know it. 12 hours labor??? Ok, sure.

The funny thing about dyno run comparison (even on the same Dyno) is if you don't make the tests back to back in similar conditions on the exact same day, the net difference is worthless. The only possible way this would not be the case, is if the Dyno was in an enclosed HVAC environment that took place with the vehicle stone cold, coming I to the room, and even then, I still have my doubts.
Another tidbit he conveniently left to the imagination was even though he claims it was cooler weather, than when the OEM parts were on the truck, there's no mention of exactly how much, nor humidity, barometric pressure, etc. How long had it been since he was on the same Dyno? If there had been significant time, and the shop had not confirmed the machine's calibration...
Again, if it had been a while since he had the truck on the Dyno, (hopefully it was in fact the exact same Dyno) and he's racked up miles, from the first tests (assuming the truck was nearly new) the plugs may not have been as fresh as they were the first time around.
Yes the plugs last a bazillion miles these days but most people who would rack up miles after a Dyno test usually put fresh plugs in before the next test, to minimize variances. What kind of fuel was he using, we're left to assume he would always drop top tier fuel in his truck, but there is absolutely no way no way to really know if he did or did not. Maybe 93 octane months prior, and shit poor 87 octane from the local gas n go?

Too much left to the imagination, in that video, and what I pointed out, is not a complete list, there's a crapton more but I digress.

 

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Well I truly you hope see something significant from your sizeable investment
Remember that all that does does not recalibrate your transmission so I would be concerned about transmission durability
Really though you should get a tune designed to work with all of your upgrades that does indeed reprogram the trans to match the improved engine output

BTW
A stock pickup with 3:31 gears & 93 octane tune did
2. Dday0644 13.484 @ 100.12
-2017 SuperCrew 5.5' 4WD 3.31 10speed-
-MPT 93 Performance Tune-
3:73 gears in our EXPY would make for a lot quicker vehicle with the same calibration

Best of luck with all of your upgrades

I'm sure recalibrated shift points would in all likelihood be a lot more pleasant to drive, however that would have zero bearing on longevity (IMHO).
It's not like I intend to increase the output of the engine anymore than MAYBE 80Hp and 80/lb-ft at the absolute max. So having the HD Tow pkg and all the upgraded ancillaries to keep the components in check, I don't have a concern for the 98% of the time the vehicle is ferrying me to and from work, nor the 1.75% I tow 6500lbs, or even the .25% I would take it to the dragstrip over the next 5 years.

 

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That Mark guys truck was the 2017 i was comparing too. The factory tuning for our ecoboost motors is really bad on a roll compared to from a dig. There are fueling limiter in place I can feel when toying around. I noticed in 10th gear the turbos like to spool around 1600rpm which is great for milege, but the spool is very large in every other gear except 1st.

My point was (at least as far as my Expedition is concerned) he's only got 3.55 rear, where I've got 3.73 and probably around the same additional weight you mentioned before, so me thinks it would be a wash.
From his signature...New truck 2017 Super Crew XL 4X4 STX Package 5 1/2' bed Bone Stock 3.5L Eco Boost 10 speed Automatic 3.55 gears 20" wheels [email protected] mph 2.14 60 ft.

 

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He's also got 20" rims, mine has 18" to further muddy the waters.

 

[edizzle]

Have you watched any YouTube videos on the SPD intake manifolds???

Why on earth would you want to spend that much money to loose so much torque??

those are exhaust manifolds.

also, i am not sure who in the hell would choose to upgrade the exhaust manifolds as the first upgrade!!! they would be best utilized with a multitude of other upgrades and a tune to tie it all together.

 

[jeff kushner]

those are exhaust manifolds.

also, i am not sure who in the hell would choose to upgrade the exhaust manifolds as the first upgrade!!! they would be best utilized with a multitude of other upgrades and a tune to tie it all together.

Agreed but the stk exh manifolds on the 3.5 2nd or 3rd gen have very small passages(like half of your std 350 engine to compare). This was done as part of Fords solution to the dreaded "turbo-lag". By decreasing the size of the passages, it increases flow velocity which in turn, causes those twin turbos to begin producing positive boost very low on the RPM scale. To install manifolds that have larger openings may SEEM to be intuitive, it's not. They will prolong lag, will begin making usable boost at a higher rpm and can only be efficient at WFO.

Kind of like a 4 valve head, the benefits aren't really seen in terms of power until it's running at high RPM where breathing makes more of a difference.


jeff

 

[Black]

those are exhaust manifolds.

also, i am not sure who in the hell would choose to upgrade the exhaust manifolds as the first upgrade!!! they would be best utilized with a multitude of other upgrades and a tune to tie it all together.

Not sure why I read Exhasut when reading your post. Maybe because every time I see something about SPD I think of that dude.

As for manifolds being a first mod it depends on you vehicle background and what you were coming from.
For many older Mustang folks full exhaust to include manifolds were the go to as the first thing to do.
He clearly does not have a ton of vehicle know how so anything is possible.

 

[NyackRob79]

I had no idea modding a 6000-lb minibus (let's be honest folks, it's a people mover), was a thing. I mean, to each their own. I just thought modding this truck for off-road was more appropriate than modding it for power.

I own a 2017 VW Golf R with stage 2 upgrades. 0-60 in 3.6 seconds.

I can't imagine what it would take to get this mammoth to accelerate that quick.

Either way, more power to ya!

 

[Blackscreen67]

I had no idea modding a 6000-lb minibus (let's be honest folks, it's a people mover), was a thing. I mean, to each their own. I just thought modding this truck for off-road was more appropriate than modding it for power.

I own a 2017 VW Golf R with stage 2 upgrades. 0-60 in 3.6 seconds.

I can't imagine what it would take to get this mammoth to accelerate that quick.

Either way, more power to ya!

I don't see the driveline having holding ability for that.

3.5 at 6k would be close to 650-700hp assuming tuning wasn't laggy.

 

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those are exhaust manifolds.

also, i am not sure who in the hell would choose to upgrade the exhaust manifolds as the first upgrade!!! they would be best utilized with a multitude of other upgrades and a tune to tie it all together.

No shit

 

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I find it very amusing, but in a sad sort of way how a lot of folks who choose to participate in a thread, only do so to be as condescending as possible.

I never said with any conviction, what I might choose to burn money on for my Expedition. In fact the title of the the thread says POTENTIAL, not definite. Clearly some in here have raging egos, sitting behind their keyboards, and it's to be expected.

I watched the same thing happen in @Mike Wolfe's tune thread. He offered up conversation, and was brow beaten from a quote that never was...by those same folks who hunger to be The Authority on all matters, though they can't seem to stop making broad assumptions... regularly.

I also never said the things I submitted were in any sequential order OR a full and complete list..it wasn't. Yet some thought both were true.

It's almost like I'm in a forum full of attorneys. Every single one of you proofreads your posts before posting them, to check for grammatical or other errors?

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