exactly. who the hell knows. i’m not worried about them backing up their work as i’ve got good family friend high up in their ranks, it is truly such a PITA even in the best of circumstances & even if it does get resolved. pretty sad that my 20yr old audi is looking appealing to me right now. with a street value of 3k. wtf ford!
2018 Navigator getting 6th set of Cam Phasers.
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exactly. who the hell knows. i’m not worried about them backing up their work as i’ve got good family friend high up in their ranks, it is truly such a PITA even in the best of circumstances & even if it does get resolved. pretty sad that my 20yr old audi is looking appealing to me right now. with a street value of 3k. wtf ford!
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My 18 expo max with 64,000 miles is doing the cam phaser rattle. Just got off the phone with the dealer and he told me they are using "updated cam phaser parts " so this doesn't keep happening. I haven't heard of this, especially since so many people have a reoccurring problem with it. Seems like a load of bs.....
aggiegrad05
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They did start using updated parts last year. Whether or not the update works is an open question. As is whether the supply of the updated parts is sufficient for everyone to ACTUALLY be using them.
But there are updated parts that are supposed to fix the issue, that is true.
so weird / my non-cam phaser sound that showed up a few weeks after cam surgery, seems gone today... with ambient temps down -20 from the past couple days, it’s now completely normal sounding . even after running it for 20 minutes & getting it to full operating temp, even if i shut it down & restart it , like yesterday it would always come back every time i started it, then go away some minutes later. this am i went to time the noise from when it started & stopped & was like, it’s not there today? huh? seemed like the noise , when it was there the other days, followed the same cycle repeat pattern as the visual belt marks. trying to sleuth it so i can re-create it for them. of course now it purrs again. W.T.F.
Deadman
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Im a firm believer in internal parts "self-clearancing" themselves! lol. The oil filter will catch those extra pieces! lol
you mean it worked itself out & won’t return? like a chunk of something was somewhere it shouldn’t have been & now it’s in my oil filter????
LOL
god that’s terrifying to imagine what ELSE could be lurking in the depths ahhhhhhhhhh
edit to add: @Deadman, in all of your experiences with the cams getting done over & over, did the dealer ever advise you to give it another break in period / be gentle? mine certainly did not - & i have been, just in case, to be safe... but kinda let her rip after a couple weeks of gentle driving - this was the past few days prior to hearing this. makes me wonder
Deadman
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Nobody said a word. I'm probably gonna make the new engine eat on day one! lol.
Were you getting the rattle on every cold start? Mine has twice made a rattle noise but that’s out of the last 20 or so cold starts. I’m taking a video of every start now to gather evidence for the service rep. Mine is going in for a possible bearing issue this coming Thursday so if the rattle happens before the. I’ll have a video for them. 46k on the clock.
Nate2020KR
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I'm glad they are finally doing the right thing and replacing the engine. Hopefully you'll be good now.
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Nate2020KR
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I would suggest doing an oil analysis with each oil change. I just collected my 2nd to send off. I'm now at 10k miles, 03/2020 build date. You will then be able to see the trends of internal wear and break in metals and other things in your engine. It's good piece of mind,
5280tunage
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I get that its good having information about how your engine is wearing and all, but forgive me, if you need to do a $20, $30, $40 oil analysis each change to see if your engine is eating itself alive, them there's a bigger issue. To me, if I was that worried about my engine eating itself, it would be time for a different engine. But to each his/her own.
scottdm
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Mine has only done it twice and I've also been trying to video each cold start, but havn't caught it on video yet.
Deadman
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Ford won't care about the video, they need to hear it themselves, so you are probably wasting your time with the videos. Its BS, but thats how they roll....
Yeah, I figured as much... they need to replicate before replace. Mine may not even be the phasers... the video is just to help the service advisor hear it and tell me the next step. If I have to let it get to the point it’s happening frequently enough for them to replicate themselves then that’s fine. We have another SUV on order so hopefully I won’t need the phasers replaced until it gets here so I won’t have to deal with a rental or loaner for a extended period of time.
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Exactly. I asked the service advisor this morning if he wanted to hear any of the videos I had and he said that the tech was required to diagnose it himself for Ford to cover the repair. I also told him I had read somewhere (this forum) that the cam phaser issue was resolved for vehicles built after April 2019. He said that was incorrect, and they had done the repair on numerous 2020 F150s & Expys.
5280tunage
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Kind of what I heard from my dealer as well. Wasn't what I was hoping for, that would mean no real fix in sight.
Deadman
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SO THEY SWAPPED THE ENGINE ANDDDDDDDDDD.......... They fired it up and got some of the exact same "Cam Phaser" Codes immediately. OMG. Supposedly the dealer has exhausted all options on resolving this, and they called in the Big-Wigs from Ford to come and address this themselves hands-on Monday. I guess they have some bigger smarter computer system that can test "everything" as far as computer BS and figure out if the main computer needs to be swapped or what the hell is causing the cam phasers to go wonky. They think the main computer might be miscommunicating the cam phaser "timing" and causing weird running issues that other sensors detect and throw the code.
I guess I'm glad it has a fresh long-block, but now they need to finish resolving this. It'll soon be all brand new parts! lol
One of the the camshafts was scored, so thats what dictated the engine swap. An oil passage was plugged with sealant and the cam and phasers possibly ran dry at times. That came that way from the factory when this was brand new.
8 weeks and counting........
I guess I'm glad it has a fresh long-block, but now they need to finish resolving this. It'll soon be all brand new parts! lol
One of the the camshafts was scored, so thats what dictated the engine swap. An oil passage was plugged with sealant and the cam and phasers possibly ran dry at times. That came that way from the factory when this was brand new.
8 weeks and counting........
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2018ExpyPlatinum
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Deadman, you are a saint! I would have dumped that thing LONG ago. Or drove it into the showroom. I have ZERO intention of ever getting my cam phasers "fixed", if it ever starts. Maybe it has, I don't know or care. I'll drive it until it blows up, or just dump it.
This is a crime that Ford doesn't know how to fix it, or doesn't care about fixing it. Ford's turning into GM. Deny, deny, deny. Guess Ford's going to lose my business going forward if this doesn't get resolved for all of us. It's a shame. I love this truck, enjoy driving it, a great highway cruiser. Hurumpf.
This is a crime that Ford doesn't know how to fix it, or doesn't care about fixing it. Ford's turning into GM. Deny, deny, deny. Guess Ford's going to lose my business going forward if this doesn't get resolved for all of us. It's a shame. I love this truck, enjoy driving it, a great highway cruiser. Hurumpf.
FFS
i smell a buyback in the works. this might be just the beginning for them - no way that some of us don’t have similar problems coming our way down the road.
the 22’s couldn’t come soon enough. the whole thing is giving me anxiety & ive only had them fixed once so far.
convinced this is not the phaser parts themselves but a bigger problem.
let’s see how much bigger
i smell a buyback in the works. this might be just the beginning for them - no way that some of us don’t have similar problems coming our way down the road.
the 22’s couldn’t come soon enough. the whole thing is giving me anxiety & ive only had them fixed once so far.
convinced this is not the phaser parts themselves but a bigger problem.
let’s see how much bigger
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