5.4L Triton timing set, replace oil pump?

[JExpedition07]

Spring compressor tool arrived early today! Hopefully startup will be tomorrow afternoon. Also a tip, you can fill the oil pump with oil by removing the old oil filter and hooking up a pump into the little hole (not the center). Pump oil into there and it fill the oil pump gear.

 

[JExpedition07]

Screw this gay OTC tool you can’t even fit it under the cams in the back the firewall is in the way.

 

[JExpedition07]

Yeah so this tool doesn’t seem to work well—at all. Unless you have 5 days to fight with it forget about Fords official method. I’m pulling both cams and wedging the chains to keep it in time and putting them all in then torquing the cam down on top. You risk cam warp doing it this way but on my Expedition there is no other option. Napa has the wedge tool so heading out that way shortly.

Edit: not going to pull cams just going to go really slow. Napa didn’t have it even though they showed stock. I expect to get about half the followers in today. Plus no warped cam then. You have to push down on keepers and it’s kind of difficult you almost need three hands. Got 3 in so far....probably will be a few days to get rockers in. Only going to do a handful per day

 

[JExpedition07]

Well I started getting the hang of it. This tool takes some getting used to. After you get the 4th one in or so it becomes more familiar and easier to use. Insert the rocker from the valve spring side also helps. Compress it and it’ll seat once you work it around a bit. It seems really foreign and weird when you start even after watching videos....this is one of those things only first hand use will teach.

 

[07navi]

Yeah so this tool doesn’t seem to work well—at all. Unless you have 5 days to fight with it forget about Fords official method. I’m pulling both cams and wedging the chains to keep it in time and putting them all in then torquing the cam down on top. You risk cam warp doing it this way but on my Expedition there is no other option. Napa has the wedge tool so heading out that way shortly.

Edit: not going to pull cams just going to go really slow. Napa didn’t have it even though they showed stock. I expect to get about half the followers in today. Plus no warped cam then. You have to push down on keepers and it’s kind of difficult you almost need three hands. Got 3 in so far....probably will be a few days to get rockers in. Only going to do a handful per day

I doubt if you can bend that cam.

 

[JExpedition07]

I doubt if you can bend that cam.

Im thinking about tearing the entire engine down and starting over. Pulling crank pulley so I can pull timing cover again. Tool is JUNK.

 

[JExpedition07]

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[JExpedition07]

Pulling timing cover back off starting from scratch to get it re-timed

 

[69charged]

i just did my whole timing set and replaced some rockers that were shot. i saw the tool for doing springs and rocker installs. as for the lash adjusters, those can only be installed with the cam removed. i installed all lash adjusters, installed and torqued cam cap bolts, then used a small pry bar to install the rockers. pretty easy and quick. this was also after the chain and everything was back together. some of the rockers you cant do in the position the crank has to be in. the chains and everything have to be installed and done, then rotate the crank by hand to get the remaining rockers in.
hope that helps, and that im no too late to the party!
clarence

 

[JExpedition07]

i just did my whole timing set and replaced some rockers that were shot. i saw the tool for doing springs and rocker installs. as for the lash adjusters, those can only be installed with the cam removed. i installed all lash adjusters, installed and torqued cam cap bolts, then used a small pry bar to install the rockers. pretty easy and quick. this was also after the chain and everything was back together. some of the rockers you cant do in the position the crank has to be in. the chains and everything have to be installed and done, then rotate the crank by hand to get the remaining rockers in.
hope that helps, and that im no too late to the party!
clarence

I have to start over. When I was rotating my crank the chain fell off the bottom sprocket and lost tensioner (loose on guide side) despite brand new tensioners. Must have a tensioners AFM incorrect.

 

[69charged]

huh. weird. i had mine all together, minus rockers, and turned it no problem cause there was no tension on the cams. i installed the rockers i could in the set position, then rotated clockwise or counter clockwise a little bit to get the rest of the rocker in.
also, sorry for your frustration. i get that way sometimes as well!

 

[JExpedition07]

huh. weird. i had mine all together, minus rockers, and turned it no problem cause there was no tension on the cams. i installed the rockers i could in the set position, then rotated clockwise or counter clockwise a little bit to get the rest of the rocker in.
also, sorry for your frustration. i get that way sometimes as well!

I was very shocked. I was just turning the crank and all of a sudden I heard a noise and now I can stick my hand between the passenger side timing chain and guide it’s so loose. I had it on all teeth and under tension so it must just be stretched.

 

[JExpedition07]

Slowed down and had a few beers (I never drink lol). Got 12 roller followers in and stopped. It’s been miserable and raining all day. I didn’t pull cover off yet I think I’m not going to. My chain on the left side gets tight and then loosens again as I turn the crank so I don’t think it’s lost time. I read a few people on F-150 forum put in brand new chains and had the same loose issue on the pass bank. They say that side won’t tighten up until you have oil pressure. Tomorrow will do some more.

Sorry for the whining guys, it’s not helpful and I really shouldn’t be using the forum as a vent.

 

[07navi]

I was very shocked. I was just turning the crank and all of a sudden I heard a noise and now I can stick my hand between the passenger side timing chain and guide it’s so loose. I had it on all teeth and under tension so it must just be stretched.

Actually they don't stretch at all, they wear and they don't do much of that either. Many people say they will last the life of the vehicle and mine was like new at over 200k miles. I think your tensioners weren't pumped up or maybe the cheese wedge you used slipped or something, you can't touch the crank once the yellow wedge is in there either, it's only for replacing VCT's once you get the timing in the perfect position. I wouldn't invest in new chains but that's up to you. I really like these engines and what they have done with them but they should have updated the tensioners long ago instead of just adding a more robust O ring to them. Chevys come with their own set of problems and you might be swearing at them someday. I went through all this same type of stuff before I got some experience racked up. Nobody said life was easy.

 

[Boostedbus]

Sorry for the whining guys, it’s not helpful and I really shouldn’t be using the forum as a vent.

That’s ok let it out. Just don’t start throwing wrenches. You’ll get it figured out.

 

[JExpedition07]

Ok I am going to take timing cover back off for safety. When the timing chain went loose I thought I was turning the engine the wrong way and it turns out I wasn’t. You do turn it right. I started turning it left at that point. Now I turned it by hand right again and a piston is hitting a valve. Locked up and engine won’t spin. Hopefully I didn’t bend it.

 

[69charged]

sounds good. the way i did it, it worked flawlessly. would you like me to tell you all that i did? or do you have a way of doing it? not being sarcastic or anything. there are a couple different ways of doing it. one with no rockers in, or the other way with a few in. i did it with no rockers in. and put them in after. put it all together, primed the pump, and started quieter than ever. mine has 340,000 kms on it and i reused the chain and phasers.
when i pulled the pin on the tensioners, they stayed nice and tight the whole time.
clarence

 

[JExpedition07]

sounds good. the way i did it, it worked flawlessly. would you like me to tell you all that i did? or do you have a way of doing it? not being sarcastic or anything. there are a couple different ways of doing it. one with no rockers in, or the other way with a few in. i did it with no rockers in. and put them in after. put it all together, primed the pump, and started quieter than ever. mine has 340,000 kms on it and i reused the chain and phasers.
when i pulled the pin on the tensioners, they stayed nice and tight the whole time.
clarence

I did all the timing with followers out. This time they will all be installed before I do it so they’ll be in. I’ll just line up the R and L and put chains on before I torque the cams down. Not going to play around with the spring tool again. I read the chain going loose is common and normal, lots of guys in the F-150s had this same issue with brand new Ford chains so I won’t worry about that next time.

 

[69charged]

Yeah. Ok. Sounds like you’ve got a plan. As a side note, I sure didn’t use that spring tool. Looks like it would be a pain. I just snapped my rockers in.

 

[JExpedition07]

Yeah. Ok. Sounds like you’ve got a plan. As a side note, I sure didn’t use that spring tool. Looks like it would be a pain. I just snapped my rockers in.

Thanks for the help, if I have any questions I’ll be asking away lol. Yeah, I’m quickly learning that what we see mechanics do on videos in their shops are full of editing and are non realistic to the real world. That spring tool is just dumb and not effective. The truth is this job is a total nightmare and big screw ups are easy haha.