Amacron
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Have a 2019 expedition 4x4 max with heavy duty tow package. Looking at this travel trailer
Embrace EL275
Dry weight 6480
GVWR 9480
Hitch weight 680
Embrace EL275
Dry weight 6480
GVWR 9480
Hitch weight 680
Can I tow this?
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JasonH
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The GVWR gives me pause. My GVWR is 7700 and I'm at max payload and tongue. I suspect the tongue weight on this thing is a fiction. If you could find one under 6K dry that would be better. Also, would advise against towing something this long with a short wheelbase model. The tail will wag the dog. If you're towing with a standard wheelbase you'll want something shorter.
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Amacron
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I'm towing with the max platinum. The problem I have is I'm 6'10 so I need something with a tall ceiling. This particular trailer has an interior height of 6"11. So I'm kind of restrictive of what I can get. The max tow with the expedition with a WDH is 9k. So if I carefully load this and stay below 9k will I be ok?
shane_th_ee
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Ohh! Time for one of my favorite games... let's do the math. For a travel trailer, you'll need a tongue weight of at least 12%. And your max tongue weight is 930lbs (per the receiver sticker, or 900 per the brochure). 930 is 12% of 7750. So you'll have to try and keep your loaded weight below 7750. And that's assuming you don't put too much weight in the Expedition. And in reality, you may need more than 12% tongue weight, given that trailer is over 33' long (once you add the spare and the ladder). Can you make it work? Maybe. Will it be a pain in the rear to try and make it work? Yes. And might you still not be able to make it work? Yes.
joethefordguy
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this rig is pushing it. a very experienced tow driver could probably do it with minimal risk.
flying68
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Not only does the GVWR exceed your max tow capacity, the frontal area is also bigger than the 60 sq. ft. limitation in the towing guide.
I have a 30' TT that I have towed with my standerd length '09 HD tow package, but not yet with my '18 Max Platinum HD tow. I anticipate that the '18max will do a better job. My TT weighs 6,300# empty and I do tow it empty. I never fill the water tanks and pack lightly on food etc. IMO it is all about the payload of your Expy and not the length. I think you will be right on the edge with the above listed TT, and if you do not go up to the gross weight rating it is doable.
Have you looked at Grand Designs? I don't know interior height but I remember them having more space than most.
mbtech2003
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Personal opinion here. Don’t tow anything over 27ft with a half ton truck. Or 30ft with a 3/4. Duley is needed anything over 30 for proper stability. You May say I’ll be save and keep it slow. But we all know people don’t. Lol.
oldfordguy
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There are some things you can do if you are set on this model. Don't EVER tow with the water tank or waste tanks with contents. Keep your guests in another vehicle, keep your material to a minimum. don't relax on these rules. You will find that this length is OK, but I agree with another post, the tongue weight will be closer to 800-900 so get an equalizer hitch of at least 1200 and a good anti-sway bar. I have only done about 6000 miles with a 30 footer (more by now but COVID closed everything). It tows very well, on and off the interstate.
I am a very experienced tow driver ( commercial semi drivers license, motorhomes and travel and utility trailers) and I would not drive it.
To be within specs, you need to stay under 7500# at the very maximum, 7000# would be better, and even then you will have to keep a close eye on your payload and tongue weight.
Old Guy
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I have towed for 50 years. In anything over 4K#, I will not tow without an equalizer hitch. Besides safety, it makes the ride a lot more comfortable.
I am presently towing 8000# with a 03, 4X4 with the HD tow package. I have towed with this car since I bought it in 2006. No problems attributed to towing.
I bought replacement pads from Black rock, which were specifically made for towing. There is a noticeable difference from the OEM pads. Just saying....
As per the OP, keep the weight to minimum. Water weighs approximately 8 pounds per gallon. That's 350# right there. Then figure in the normal equipment and supplies. Then load it and take it to a public scale. If it is within your vehicles specs, get a printed copy. After an accident, the other party's lawyers would love to see an overloaded situation...
I am presently towing 8000# with a 03, 4X4 with the HD tow package. I have towed with this car since I bought it in 2006. No problems attributed to towing.
I bought replacement pads from Black rock, which were specifically made for towing. There is a noticeable difference from the OEM pads. Just saying....
As per the OP, keep the weight to minimum. Water weighs approximately 8 pounds per gallon. That's 350# right there. Then figure in the normal equipment and supplies. Then load it and take it to a public scale. If it is within your vehicles specs, get a printed copy. After an accident, the other party's lawyers would love to see an overloaded situation...
That’s way overkill. We tow a 34’ airstream with our Max Platinum. Airstream is different though due to the aerodynamics.
To OP, you’d have to be careful on the prairies in a strong side wind but otherwise would be safe if your hitch setup is correct. Power would not be an issue with your Expy.
joethefordguy
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No, it is not "way overkill". the proper answer to this starts with a lawyer from the insurance company.
If you think the problem is limited to "power" then you do not know what you are talking about. Sorry to be harsh, but your attitude is dangerous and can get people killed.
Obviously the solution is not just a powerful vehicle, I stated you’ll need the right hitch setup to tow confidently for a trailer that size. But power is the main factor in ensuring you’ll be able to accelerate while climbing a mountain, as an example.
If a job can safely be done with a half ton, a full ton truck is way overkill although you may prefer it for comfort or other reasons.
Joe S
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https://www.fleet.ford.com/towing-guides/
Try this Ford site....it has all Ford vehicles trucks & SUV towing guides for each year.....your 2019 Expy towing info is there.....its a good guide put out by Ford for owners....The SUV section is towards the bottom of the guide...just keep scrolling until you come to the SUV section
Try this Ford site....it has all Ford vehicles trucks & SUV towing guides for each year.....your 2019 Expy towing info is there.....its a good guide put out by Ford for owners....The SUV section is towards the bottom of the guide...just keep scrolling until you come to the SUV section
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johnboneske
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I saw this a fee week ago... it's a 2019 Expedition standard wheel base towing a 2019 Outback 328RL which has a GVWR of 10500 pounds. I asked them how it towed and they said great, even in the mountains. I tried hard not to get my eyes "bug eyed", so I'd say you can do it. Are you experienced towing? Make sure you have the proper WDH like a Blue Ox, Hensley Arrow or Equalizer E4, otherwise DONT DO IT!
johnboneske
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I saw this a few week ago... it's a 2019 Expedition standard wheel base towing a 2019 Outback 328RL which has a GVWR of 10500 pounds. I asked them how it towed and they said great, even in the mountains. I tried hard not to get my eyes "bug eyed", so I'd say you can do it. Are you experienced towing? Make sure you have the proper WDH like a Blue Ox, Hensley Arrow or Equalizer E4, otherwise DONT DO IT!
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