JLT Oil Seperator

[Boostedbus]

What happens if you forget to empty it and it stays full?

I guess there is a chance of liquid locking the engine since the cans do operate by engine vacuum and if full could possibly suck enough oil in to cause harm. With that being said, my Can hasn’t been even close to full at oil change intervals (3000 mi.). I usually don’t wait to intervals anyway. I just drain it whenever I’m messing around in garage and think of it.RXP does have a bigger can but it hasn’t really been necessary for me. My set up is super easy to drain also. I cut wheels to the left and hang cup on control arm in right front wheel well behind tire under drain tube , open hood and open quarter turn drain valve on bottom of can. I could easily drain it while filling up at a gas station if I used a plastic bottle with a lid to catch oil and take with me for disposal.

 

[Boostedbus]

What happens if you forget to empty it and it stays full?

I guess there is a chance of liquid locking the engine since the cans do operate by engine vacuum and if full could possibly suck enough oil in to cause harm. With that being said, my Can hasn’t been even close to full at oil change intervals (3000 mi.). I usually don’t wait to intervals anyway. I just drain it whenever I’m messing around in garage and think of it.RXP does have a bigger can but it hasn’t really been necessary for me. My set up is super easy to drain also. I cut wheels to the left and hang cup on control arm in right front wheel well behind tire under drain tube , open hood and open quarter turn drain valve on bottom of can. I could easily drain it while filling up at a gas station if I used a plastic bottle with a lid to catch oil and take with me for disposal.View attachment 27389

 

[mquick5]

Well I received my JLt kit today. Says # 3016p / #3026p It is the black polished like I wanted. When I ordered it said 3016p-b. Anyways this kit comes with what they call a NEW design mounting bracket. Says for easier install and servicing. Well the servicing I can understand, but the install, not so much. I have yet to pop the hood to go look, as it's cold and getting dark here now. The directions even call for drilling a hole in the fender well!

 

[LokiWolf]

Yeah, the newer kits mount near/in the Battery box area. There is actually a kit to retrofit the older style to this one.


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[Sgt Darkness]

The 18s have a newly designed fuel system that works to keep the valves clean and it works along with the direct injection system. Anyhow, no tests have been done to see if this new cleaning contraption does better or worse.

 

[LokiWolf]

Nothing super secret on the 18+. Anything with a 2nd Gen EB, like the 2nd Gen 3.5TT in the F150 or 18+ Expy has direct and port Fuel injectors. The Port are used under certain load conditions for improved performance and economy. The secondary function they have is cleaning the intake valves because the fuel helps to dissolve the deposits. The PCV System is still putting oil into the intake side, it is just there is now fuel there to help clean it off.

The 2nd Gen 2.0EB and so far the 2nd Gen 3.5TT seem to be less susceptible to the build up issue because of the additional injectors.


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[jeff kushner]

Guys, help me to understand why you need these on this truck? No judgement here, just not comprehending why on this engine. I have 60K on my truck now and because of my SLK, I know very well that some engines need their stock oil separator replaced or added to but my stock 3.5 has never indicated that any oil is being transferred.

So, what are you doing to your engines that requires it?

jeff

 

[Boostedbus]

The 18s have a newly designed fuel system that works to keep the valves clean and it works along with the direct injection system. Anyhow, no tests have been done to see if this new cleaning contraption does better or worse.

It may help stop the valve coking but not sure how it’s gonna stop the innercooler from getting oil logged without a collection system in place. My opinion is that I would still install a catch can. I don’t like the idea of drilling a hole in the innercooler and have it weep oil constantly ....especially on my garage floor.

 

[chuck s]

About 1000 miles of "catched" sludge. Less than 1.5 ounces. Capacity is only 3oz so looks easy to fill. I'm gonna check it today again.

-- Chuck

 

[chuck s]

Just checked and it was completely FULL to the threaded area

3 ounces (rated capacity) in 949 miles this time. 28 engine hours (including 3 hours idling) elapsed so this is only averaging 34mph for the past ~90 days. Virginia winter weather. Cold starts. Remote starting so the baroness gets into a warm vehicle.

I expected it to be half full as it was the same mileage. Any clues?

 

[chuck s]

28 hours of engine time (including 3 hours of idling) completely filled the can. Winter, city driving for the most part. Slurry smelled slightly of gasoline.

-- Chuck

 

[LokiWolf]

28 hours of engine time (including 3 hours of idling) completely filled the can. Winter, city driving for the most part. Slurry smelled slightly of gasoline.

-- Chuck

Chuck, I think it is the cold remote starts. I will check mine tonight. I think it has been about 750 since our last oil change, and I emptied it right after that. It will be a good gauge.


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[1955moose]

You know what's amazing, that in 2019, 116 years after Ford's and most other makes hit the roads with their crude oiling systems, with open valve areas getting splashed as you go, and other messy ways to lubricate, and maintain, we've come full circle. Granted it's just a container that catches the sludge and backwash, and needs to be cleaned out at oil changes. Maybe with turbo advancement, and science, they'll figure out how to build a twin turbo system, that's as clean as can be, with little to no runoff. But for now we use or don't use a catch can. It's like 1950's all over, with oil filter, no oil filter, just a shelf inside the oil pan to catch sludge. Do you guys know if any car or big truck firms install a can from factory?

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[Boostedbus]

Guys, help me to understand why you need these on this truck? No judgement here, just not comprehending why on this engine. I have 60K on my truck now and because of my SLK, I know very well that some engines need their stock oil separator replaced or added to but my stock 3.5 has never indicated that any oil is being transferred.

So, what are you doing to your engines that requires it?

jeff

I’m not gonna say you need it on this engine, but I do think it is a preventative maintenance thing especially if you plan on keeping the vehicle many years like I plan. It will help keep the induction system clean way longer than without a can at all. I compare it to something like a cabin air filter.... you don’t necessarily have to have one (like our Expys don’t),but it sure would have been nice to have to keep debris out of the ducts/heater box. Supposedly it is safe to do an induction flush on these engines without hurting the turbos now. (New Chemicals?)So if your fuel mileage starts to suffer or you start getting a stumble from oil slugging from the innercooler, then you’ll have to do an induction flush. Hopefully us with cans won’t have to do this .... or at least not as often. With that being said, my longtime mechanic friend has told me that he has seen the nonturbo direct injected GM cars have more drivability problems needing induction flushed at around 50-60k than he has seen with Ecoboosts. Maybe they trigger the check engine light easier?

 

[LokiWolf]

Chuck, I think it is the cold remote starts. I will check mine tonight. I think it has been about 750 since our last oil change, and I emptied it right after that. It will be a good gauge.


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Chuck, No pic as it was dark and cold, but ours was about half full at 768 miles since the oil change, and I emptied it when I got home after the oil change.

Yours does not appear to be far off.


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[chuck s]

I've got very little data so far to establish a pattern or norm but it's more than I expected. I've not had a turbocharged car in 20+ years.

My only other experience is the catch cans on my normally aspirated Honda S2000 -- 'cuz all the cool kids have them. These have a sight gauge and are maybe 10% full after a couple of years -- not yet had to empty them. These cans have petcock drains. Both features lacking on the JLT cans.

The past year I'm averaging roughly 500 miles a month with the truck so will check the level again in a month and see if the can is half full. Every couple of months to empty it isn't too much hassle. Only convenient way for me to empty the container is to remove the whole assembly from the firewall. 10mm wobble wrench makes it easy though. I need a step stool but I need one to check the oil level anyway (I could reach the 5.4V8 dipstick).

-- Chuck

 

[LokiWolf]

We do double, if not triple that Mileage, so should have more info for you. I will watch it a bit closer.


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[cmiles97]

If these are required, why didn't Ford just build one into the system and make it part of regular maintenance to empty?

Here are some high mileage/torture ****** ecoboost F-150s that as far I know did not use catch cans.

https://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/...a-torture-tested-ecoboost-v-6-looks-like.html

https://jalopnik.com/heres-how-a-ford-f-150-ecoboost-held-up-after-200-000-m-1790602670

https://www.f150ecoboost.net/forum/6-f150-ecoboost-chat/28082-300-000-miles-my-2011-eco-boost.html


As a consumer, I'm fairly simple in my wants. I expect a vehicle to last through the average pay off period (6 years now) and miles (90,000 miles) without major repair by following the factory recommended maintenance for the severity of driving that occurs. Actually I expect them to last even longer now a days.

I'm not going to add after market items to overcome bad design. I'll just move on to a manufacturer that does what I expect.

I went against my feelings about Ford's quality to purchase this Expy because it was so much less on the used market than Toyota/Lexus SUVs and it's been good through 50,000 miles(as it should). I also hedged my bet by paying $2,300 more for an extended warranty to 8years/125,000 miles expecting a failure that will cost more than that.

If I do experience problems because I didn't add a catch can or do 3,000 mile oil changes (even though Ford says up to 10,000), I'll simply never buy another ford again. I'll pay a premium for brands that have a track record of reliability.

To me having to add an after market component to make it run right or last is just plain wrong. The designers of this vehicle should have added it if required. If they are doing planned obsolesce then why am I buying this brand?

 

[LokiWolf]

If these are required, why didn't Ford just build one into the system and make it part of regular maintenance to empty?

Here are some high mileage/torture ****** ecoboost F-150s that as far I know did not use catch cans.

https://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/...a-torture-tested-ecoboost-v-6-looks-like.html

https://jalopnik.com/heres-how-a-ford-f-150-ecoboost-held-up-after-200-000-m-1790602670

https://www.f150ecoboost.net/forum/6-f150-ecoboost-chat/28082-300-000-miles-my-2011-eco-boost.html

HaHaHa!

Fords solution to the early F150 EB Intercoolers getting clogged? Drill a small hole in the bottom. Yep. It was easier to do that than to solve the root problem.

I laugh when people say an Engineer at Ford designed it that way, so it must be good. Lots of factors go in to it.

Lots of factors go into it. Will it run for a long time with out a catch can, very possibly. Will it run better for a long time with a catch can, I believe so. Proven by many pictures and posts there is A LOT of gunk that does not need to go in to the intake.


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[cmiles97]

HaHaHa!

Fords solution to the early F150 EB Intercoolers getting clogged? Drill a small hole in the bottom. Yep. It was easier to do that than to solve the root problem.

I laugh when people say an Engineer at Ford designed it that way, so it must be good. Lots of factors go in to it.

Lots of factors go into it. Will it run for a long time with out a catch can, very possibly. Will it run better for a long time with a catch can, I believe so. Proven by many pictures and posts there is A LOT of gunk that does not need to go in to the intake.


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Then why do you support a company that you know puts out poor quality?