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F1vel66a

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I'm running the stock exhaust set up and was wondering what others thought about opening it up to a dual pipe with a H and if it would give better gas milage. I partially think it would because it would relive back pressure.

This is a 1998 xlt non e.b. With 5.4l triton stock

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18 is already really good.. I can touch 17 with pure highway driving but barely see 11-12 with city driving, especially with warming it up in the winter.

I don't think you're going to get your monies worth (or 2mpg) out of the exhaust if you're doing it for mpg gains.
 
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Well exaust parts are free for me lol but what would be a good way to add mpg?
 

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Buy a smaller car! :)

A programmer from edge or SCT. Doing an intake system doesnt hurt and my exhaust guy has been trying to talk me into a flowmaster setup for max mpg's. Flowmasters are too quiet for me though. If you are hitting 18 then as it has been said that is very good as it is and it would be hard to get much more out of a 3 ton boat.
 

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F1vel66a, when it comes to exhaust, you are having to play a balancing game here. Yes, lower back pressure allows the motor to not have to work as hard to push the exhaust gases out, but at the same time, the back pressure is what creates your low RPM torque. So, what can happen is out on the highway, you may get slightly better mileage with say a true dual 3" pipe setup, using an H-pipe, and a 40 series muffler. But, in town, you will have lost most of your back pressure and you are going to have to really get on the gas to make it take off unless you are doing 4,000 RPM tranny drops to get the truck going. Where if you take a step back to say dual 2.5" pipes, an X-pipe, and a 70 (or even possibly a 50) series muffler, you will keep more back pressure which will make the truck more driveable in town and still drop the back pressure at highway speeds to give you better mileage.

I would recommend 2 other modifications if you are looking to maximize mileage. The first is doing the "Gotts" mod or going with an aftermarket intake. This will allow the engine to breathe easier, allowing more air to reach the cylinders and just make things work easier. The other modification is converting over to electric fans. Doing this modification frees up about 6 hp and 8 ft-lbs of torque at all RPMs. So, even though you are not messing with the motor itself (internally), the motor is not having to power other devices, so, that leaves more power to go to the rear wheels. That allows you to accelerate at the same rate and not have to put your foot as much into the gas (therefore better mileage).

Please keep in mind that 2200 RPM is a magical number. Driving with the RPMs above this results in decreasing mileage the further above it you go. I have done a lot of playing with my truck and doing detailed mileage analysis. When on the highway, you want to keep your cruising speed between 1800 and 2200 RPM (closer to 2100 RPM is the best). Also, when accelerating, depressing the gas pedal so the truck naturally shifts at about 2500 RPM results in the best intown mileage. Are you going to accelerate as fast as the car next to you. By no means. But, are you more interested in performance or mileage? A corvette may be able to pull 25 mpg on the highway, but if you goose the car off the line from a red light, the mileage will dip below 5 mpg easily (yes, 5). That is where people make big bucks in how they program the computers to maximize mileage. You can prove this to yourself using 2 tanks of gas. Drive one where you are gentle on the gas and do as I say and allow the truck to shift normally at 2500 RPM. The other tank, get on the gas and let it shift at above 4,000 RPM routinely. See what the mileage difference is. I think you will be surprised.
 
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hi. just to let u know im new to this forum but have quite a bit of experience with the expys. I had custom exhausts on 2 out of 3 of my expys and had interesting results. on my '99 we (my buddy owns a custom exhaust shop) tried a 3" "super" single with a straight-thru ovaled heavily packed muffler ad the mpg proceeded to drop about 1.5 to 2 mpg right away. we then went back to a 2.5" with an offset turbo muffler (which was quieter) and gained three from the first attempt which put me overall about 1 to 1.5 mpg overall gain from stock. i also installed a ram-air from spectre but did not feel an appreciable gain as i only noticed about .5 to 1 gain on a good day. Just wanted to add my 2 cents. good luck with your project !!!
 
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Thanks for your guys's thoughts im going to gk ahead and do dual exhast with a intake
 

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Hate to say this, (prolly raise some flack) but Ford has huge teams that do NOTHING but optimize their products for mileage. It is one of their primary goals. They have computer models, trillions of bits of test data, wind tunnels, performance testing, etc etc. And a bit of know how. In other words, there is VERY little you can do further the very high goal that they have already set for themselves for ANY vehicle they make.

Putting on a less restrictive exhaust, as has been pointed out, may in fact make things worse. If you make the pipe bigger, you slow down velocity, and can seriously alter the scavenging dynamics that may have been designed into the total system.

The Gotts mod (or ANY CAI for that matter) is also a very dubious mod if mileage is your goal. The restriction for any mileage consideration is in the throttle body, as it will only be open to about 25% or so during cruise. Having a "better intake" means very little when your pumping losses are right there at the throttle. (One more reason why diesels can be more efficient)

Anything that can increase mileage is really a compromise. For example, you can pump the snot out of the tires to their max pressure rating. You would give up handling, and gain some weird and premature wear. You would lower the overall rolling resistance, but at what cost?

As stated earlier, we are driving a 3 ton brick wall. The very best mod would be taking the ball bearing out of your ankle and the lead weight off your toes. The sweet spot is somewhere around 45 or 50 mph. Certainly anything over 65 will raise your spot on the graph in a very non-linear manner.

My last fill up was 11mpg, winter is killing me.
 

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Big White, I will agree with you that Ford spends a lot of money to make a very good exhaust system. But, at the same time, they are also trying to meet a few other things (like a quiet exhaust system for the large percentage that don't want to rumble down the road). So, like with anything, they are compromising some to balance maximum mileage with an exhaust system that meets what the majority of people want. With that being said, there is some room for improvement. If there wasn't, then any exhaust mod you did would result in loss of mileage (as some of us have seen improved mileage).

The same can be said about the intake. Yes, the factory one is very good. But, going to almost any aftermarket intake (or doing the gotts mod) will result in 1 hp and 10 ft-lbs of gain. How do I know? Simple, I put my truck on a dyno and measured the results. Also compared a lot of data from other people and their adventures in making more power. Nothing to be jumping over, but it is a combination of little changes that can add up.

As for getting the best mileage, I have done a lot of playing in this department. I had a 5,000 mile trip I made and had lots of time (and tanks of gas) to play with this. In my playing, I found that you get the best mileage keeping the engine RPMs between 1800-2200 RPM. In the case of my truck (stock tires, 3.73 gears) this related to 60-72 mph. Below 1800 RPM and you are getting the motor into a condition where it can not run efficiently. Above 2200 RPM and you are getting into the power band and higher spinning forces/speed.
 
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thermo-just curious if u have the tow package on yours with that gear combo you mentioned. my '99 and '01 expys ran about 1600 rpm at 60mph, my '97 ran about 1700 rpm at 60mph.
 

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fordentusiast, yes, I do have the tow package on my truck. The tow package has nothing to do with the RPMs that the truck is running. The RPMs at highway speed are a function of the rear end gear (atleast for the 4R70/4R100 tranny Expy's, you get into the 5 and 6 speeds, then things change a little). The tow package only adds a few coolers and forces you to the 3.73 rear end in most cases. Hence why I say to watch the RPMs, not so much the speed (just reference the speed for those with the 3.73 gears).
 

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F1ve, a lot of it depends on how you drive your truck when accelerating from a stop. If you tend to keep the RPMs down to around say 2500 RPM (when the truck would shift), then it will help with your mileage. Also, you may find that you tend to keep your truck empty of stuff where others will carry an extra 500 or so pounds (which will knock off about 0.5 mpg believe it or not). Then there are other things like keeping the tires inflated to above normal pressures to help with minimizing rolling resistance. sometimes it is just luck that you get a good motor that is built just so that it runs efficiently.
 
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fordentusiast, yes, I do have the tow package on my truck. The tow package has nothing to do with the RPMs that the truck is running. The RPMs at highway speed are a function of the rear end gear (atleast for the 4R70/4R100 tranny Expy's, you get into the 5 and 6 speeds, then things change a little). The tow package only adds a few coolers and forces you to the 3.73 rear end in most cases. Hence why I say to watch the RPMs, not so much the speed (just reference the speed for those with the 3.73 gears).
thanks for the info. i was under the impression that the tow pkg also came with a lower final drive ratio. i see you are also listed as a technical advisor. i consider myself to be well versed with these expys as i have had 3 of them and have some decent diy experience. but i have a question i was thinking about bouncing off a few people as opposed to starting a new topic because i don't want to start an oil vs. additives riot.
 
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