2018 Expedition HD Tow pkg potential upgrades

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Yes Boostmax @100% ~ +2psi Boost
Pedalmax 100% not really any power gain, but reduces response time.

As far as weight goes, I weighed the thing on the scale at work, with the catback (lighter than stock) Pushbar mounted (negates weight savings of catback) full tank of fuel and me in it, not sure the last time it was caliberated but it showed 6120lbs.
I'm right at 235-245lbs
5875-5885lbs

So "as run" weight with me and half of 23 gallons @6.3lbs ~6050lbs

I try not to show up at the dragstrip with any more than half the 23gallons, certainly no less than 1/3. I once did a practice launch with about an eighth of a tank, it was brutal, there was not enough fuel present in the tank, and the truck limped out quickly, as it starved for fuel, which ran away from the sending unit. Threw a few codes, never had this happen again, after ensuring adequate supply of fuel onboard.

The reason I want the Gearhead Tune is mainly for the transmission tuning. "Manually shifting" isn't as direct as I would prefer, via the buttons, there is some delay, I do not care to anticipate push the button at "x" rpm in order for it to actually notch up at "y" rpm.

Plus even with Advancetrac switched off (holding tc button for 8 seconds) and traction control off, there is still some ******** management present, as evidenced by a clip I posted a while ago showing everything "off" but intervention shown in the dash, during the run. No doubt Ford leaves a bit in reserve for those who or their families who would file suit for negligence allowing for some attempts at defying the laws of physics.

Let's be honest, I am one of the few loons who would attempt to make a high center of gravity, heavy vehicle, a "decent" quarter mile funwagon. Certainly a lot cheaper to buy a Mustang GT with Hellion GT twin turbo package (sub $40000 total) with +750hp, than a $58000 brick. Though it would still be fun, it wouldn't be as satisfying as it is, when it flat leaves people wondering WTF? Total sleeper, it's fun in it's own way. Which is funny, because there are so many diesel 4x4 crewcabs running a lot quicker, as well as regular cab, supercab, crewcabs gas trucks, also running a lot quicker, but they all have telltale signs, that perhaps they're not stock. Further perplexing to people, who've inquired, is the big ass pushbumper on the front. It screams "slow" as one person told me. Nobody (at the dragstrip) seems to have much first hand information on the Expedition.

VA Motorsports Park is having a Test n Tune I think the first or second week of December, I plan to go for the final time in 2018. I noticed when I swapped out the intercooler, quite a bit of blow-by was present. I'm going to take the time to clean the cold charge air pipe, throttle body if necessary, and possibly either vent to atomosphere, or put catchcan on, before attending. Just for my own peace of mind, that would eliminate thoughts of "maybe I should have" like I'm thinking today - about yesterday.

There's nothing more enjoyable than having a fast vehicle that looks slow. With my dually weighing 12klbs running an 11 in the quarter is frankly a little scary and highly unrecommend, but when daily driving it easily gets respect when someone who thinks they'e fast finds out what fast really is.

I don't think I realized you were tap shifting. The torque management will always rob power, but hey it' better than a trashed transmission! Like you said though, a tuned trans will make a world of difference banging through the trap.
 

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Weil since i own a 2018 EXPY FX4, 4X4 with HD tow & 3:73 axle & a 2018 F150 super crew 4X4 with HD tow & 3:55 thought I would look at the GVW & max payload ratings on both of them on the b pillar label
2018 EXPY GVW is 7450 with max payload of 1590
2018 F150 S Crew 7270 GVW with 1791 max payload
So that is about 5860 gross weight for the expy & 5459 gross weight for the F150
BTW if rear wheel hp is 470 with an average drive train loss of 18% (per Ford engineering) then cs hp would be 573hp.
That is 470/.82
So since my F150 weighs about 5450 LBS with no passengers & an empty fuel tank 5* data can't be far off
Have the 5* 93 octane performance tow tune installed in my EXPY & it performs much better than stock
Have the 5* E30 tune installed in my F150 3.5L ECOBOOST
From a 5 mph wot in 2wd the tires break loose & do not catch up until I reach about 65 mph
Huge difference between 93 octane & E30 tune
Pretty sure 0-60 mph in high 3's for E30 tune

Looks like you are getting very close to the 12's
It that with the upgraded CAC, exhaust & the boost max installed?
 

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Weil since i own a 2018 EXPY FX4, 4X4 with HD tow & 3:73 axle & a 2018 F150 super crew 4X4 with HD tow & 3:55 thought I would look at the GVW & max payload ratings on both of them on the b pillar label
2018 EXPY GVW is 7450 with max payload of 1590
2018 F150 S Crew 7270 GVW with 1791 max payload
So that is about 5860 gross weight for the expy & 5459 gross weight for the F150
BTW if rear wheel hp is 470 with an average drive train loss of 18% (per Ford engineering) then cs hp would be 573hp.
That is 470/.82
So since my F150 weighs about 5450 LBS with no passengers & an empty fuel tank 5* data can't be far off
Have the 5* 93 octane performance tow tune installed in my EXPY & it performs much better than stock
Have the 5* E30 tune installed in my F150 3.5L ECOBOOST
From a 5 mph wot in 2wd the tires break loose & do not catch up until I reach about 65 mph
Huge difference between 93 octane & E30 tune
Pretty sure 0-60 mph in high 3's for E30 tune

Looks like you are getting very close to the 12's
It that with the upgraded CAC, exhaust & the boost max installed?

Mike, the supercab 4x4 curb weight is 4,668. That's why I said 5k lbs was generous.

Calculating trap time to weight is not arguable. Like I said, their marketing is bloating their output and they're inflating the Dyno correction factor. They know this, and it works with sales. After ll they sold you!

Also it breaks looks because it's a truck with no weight over the rear axle.
 
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There's nothing more enjoyable than having a fast vehicle that looks slow. With my dually weighing 12klbs running an 11 in the quarter is frankly a little scary and highly unrecommend, but when daily driving it easily gets respect when someone who thinks they'e fast finds out what fast really is.

I don't think I realized you were tap shifting. The torque management will always rob power, but hey it' better than a trashed transmission! Like you said though, a tuned trans will make a world of difference banging through the trap.


I'm not.
I tried it a few times, and it pissed me off.
 
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Weil since i own a 2018 EXPY FX4, 4X4 with HD tow & 3:73 axle & a 2018 F150 super crew 4X4 with HD tow & 3:55 thought I would look at the GVW & max payload ratings on both of them on the b pillar label
2018 EXPY GVW is 7450 with max payload of 1590
2018 F150 S Crew 7270 GVW with 1791 max payload
So that is about 5860 gross weight for the expy

Looks like you are getting very close to the 12's
It that with the upgraded CAC, exhaust & the boost max installed?

Yes Garrett, catback, BoostMax/Pedalmax at 100%.
Just to clarify, "as run" weight must include the occupant(s) along with actual curb weight. Curb weight defined as "fully fueled, ready for legal highway travel" plus or minus any deviation from standard.
The Setina Pushbar assembly is roughly an additional 70lbs including all hardware, (The push bar itself is Aluminum, but all the the bracketry are heavy gauge steel) CGS Motorsports exhaust is roughly 25-30lbs lighter than OEM, and the Garrett is a beast, especially compared to the mostly plastic OEM CAC @44lbs. The OEM pc seems like it's maybe 5lbs. Granted I removed the plastic ducting shroud, I doubt it amounts to anymore than an additional lb.

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I'm not.
I tried it a few times, and it pissed me off.

That's funny. With the dually I'll tap shift to keep my turbos fully lit, with the X6m I'll do both. With a dual clutch ZF transmission, it's almost sacrilegious to not paddle shift.

Never tried on the Expy.
 
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Mike, the supercab 4x4 curb weight is 4,668. That's why I said 5k lbs was generous.

Calculating trap time to weight is not arguable. Like I said, their marketing is bloating their output and they're inflating the Dyno correction factor. They know this, and it works with sales. After ll they sold you!

Also it breaks looks because it's a truck with no weight over the rear axle.

Mike says he has Supercrew, so that's the full 4 door model, supercab has little back doors. Also there are bed size variations too, 5.5, 6.5 and 8 feet. Though 8 is not available with Supercrew.
 

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Mike says he has Supercrew, so that's the full 4 door model, supercab has little back doors. Also there are bed size variations too, 5.5, 6.5 and 8 feet. Though 8 is not available with Supercrew.

Right. The one that ran the 12.02 was a supercab.
 
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That's funny. With the dually I'll tap shift to keep my turbos fully lit, with the X6m I'll do both. With a dual clutch ZF transmission, it's almost sacrilegious to not paddle shift.

Never tried on the Expy.

It doesn't simultaneously shift as you hit the button, there is a bit of lag, much like the stock caliberation of the throttle.
 
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Huge difference between 93 octane & E30 tune
Pretty sure 0-60 mph in high 3's for E30 tune
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A little off topic, a fella with the 4 door cts-v Cadillac supercharged V8 (not the current model) with slicks (might have been street ET, but c'mon), running E85 ran 10.7

Another guy in an Audi 5 cylinder single turbo Quattro the size of a Jetta....11.7 nutty! Claims it is all stock on premium gas.
 

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FYI
When I took the truck our to nearest pavement for the first 5 mph rolling start WOT run there were 3 passengers in the truck along with me
One weighs 350 lbs
I weigh 255 lbs
The other 2 about 200 lbs each
So that added 1005 lbs to the trucks weight
Truck has 36 gallon tank & was full with E85-Gasoline blend
Still broke tires loose on every shift until about 65 mph
Goes like a bat outta H---
Love it
Well so happy with the E30 5* tune installed on my F150 going to order it for my EXPY as well
E30 produces way more power than 93 octane performance/tow tune from 5*
E85 is $2.4999 here & premium is $3.499
So even though fuel mileage is about 80% of gasoline, it is still lower cost per mile when blending E85 & 91 octane E10
about 65% E85-35% 91 octane E10
Much higher octane than 93 E10
Can easily change back to 93 octane tune if I plan to travel where E85 is not available
With the 5* calibrations there is no need to use manual shifts, trans shifting is vastly improved, so stomp on the go pedal & let the trans do it's thing
 

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A little off topic, a fella with the 4 door cts-v Cadillac supercharged V8 (not the current model) with slicks (might have been street ET, but c'mon), running E85 ran 10.7

Another guy in an Audi 5 cylinder single turbo Quattro the size of a Jetta....11.7 nutty! Claims it is all stock on premium gas.
Hey 5150 pops
Is E85 available in your area?
Wonder if you would see a big increase in output if you did an E30 blend & had your boostamax at full output?
Just wondering
 
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Hey 5150 pops
Is E85 available in your area?
Wonder if you would see a big increase in output if you did an E30 blend & had your boostamax at full output?
Just wondering

It is, but everything I've read creeps me out, if your vehicle is not ffv from the OEM. Things like fuel line ruptures and arcing in the fuel tank, etc.
Virginia is a humid state, ethanol has tendency to absorb moisture, close to winter now, would hate to fuel system failure for the possibility of making enough power to cross my self imposed threshold.

Some Sheetz locations near me sell it for $2.25 currently.
 

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ETHANOL does not cause early engine death
Best damn high octane fuel available
I have used ethanol blends in Iowa, Colorado, Missouri & Arizona & have never had any problems
Every vehicle has been built to accept ethanol for many years
Flex fuel vehicles use the same fuel line materials & fuel system components as standard vehicles
Only difference in 5.0l coyote flex fuel & standard coyote is PCM programming
So if you hear from people that it is going to harm your engine that is just plain
********!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just plain ****** me off when folks who do not know what they are talking about bad mouth ETHANOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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ETHANOL does not cause early engine death
Best damn high octane fuel available
I have used ethanol blends in Iowa, Colorado, Missouri & Arizona & have never had any problems
Every vehicle has been built to accept ethanol for many years
Flex fuel vehicles use the same fuel line materials & fuel system components as standard vehicles
Only difference in 5.0l coyote flex fuel & standard coyote is PCM programming
So if you hear from people that it is going to harm your engine that is just plain
********!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just plain ****** me off when folks who do not know what they are talking about bad mouth ETHANOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike just sit down.

Great you enjoy corn and water in your fuel tanks.

Quit feeding bad advice to the boards.

Plain and simple, ethanol is a farmboy kickback and nothing more. Sure it has a greater explosion leading to increased cylinder pressures which means power increase per stroke, now ask yourself...... what's an appropriate cylinder psi that's deemed safe for a gas motor. After all gas motors aren't diesel.

Let's not even discuss what it does to your fuel components, lines, injection pumps.....

I vote for full blown alcohol and methanol racers! As matter of fact let's add propane to the mix and make it really exciting!

Nitro is for the big boys, so we'll just keep it little league for now!
 
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Mike just sit down.

Great you enjoy corn and water in your fuel tanks.

Quit feeding bad advice to the boards.

Plain and simple, ethanol is a farmboy kickback and nothing more. Sure it has a greater explosion leading to increased cylinder pressures which means power increase per stroke, now ask yourself...... what's an appropriate cylinder psi that's deemed safe for a gas motor. After all gas motors aren't diesel.

Let's not even discuss what it does to your fuel components, lines, injection pumps.....

I vote for full blown alcohol and methanol racers! As matter of fact let's add propane to the mix and make it really exciting!

Nitro is for the big boys, so we'll just keep it little league for now!

MY advice is not bad & actually works
Proven over & over again
Ethanol does not damage any modern fuel system components (they are designed for it)
Methanol certainly does
You do not know what you are talking about when it comes to ethanol & are so belligerant you will not accept the fact that is an inexpensive high octane fuel that works well
I know you hate anything that ford makes & unless it is your diesel everything everyone has is just crap
Not going to back off of this now or ever
Why do you even bother to comment on this forum
Obviously everyone is stupid (according to you) unless they have a ram with a cummins diesel
Why don't you just go play with your diesel & leave this forum alone
No one else on this forum is a jerk
 

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MY advice is not bad & actually works
Proven over & over again
Ethanol does not damage any modern fuel system components (they are designed for it)
Methanol certainly does
You do not know what you are talking about when it comes to ethanol & are so belligerant you will not accept the fact that is an inexpensive high octane fuel that works well
I know you hate anything that ford makes & unless it is your diesel everything everyone has is just crap
Not going to back off of this now or ever
Why do you even bother to comment on this forum
Obviously everyone is stupid (according to you) unless they have a ram with a cummins diesel
Why don't you just go play with your diesel & leave this forum alone
No one else on this forum is a jerk

Of course it's high octane, its alcohol!

Modern systems are only designed for E10 blends which are a common pump standard these days.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a6244/e15-gasoline-damage-engine/

https://www.bellperformance.com/blog/how-to-protect-your-car-from-ethanol-damage

There you got bringing up diesels again, and being all sensitive for no reason.
 

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I run a jet fuel/ lunar water hybrid fuel mix in my 5.4L with an overclutched dual camcharger capacitor. 1,000 horsepower and 1,500 lb ft at the wheels on a dyno all day long. 0-60 in one terabyte and does the 1/4 mile in a kilogram, yes you read that right, only 1 kilogram.
 

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I run a jet fuel/ lunar water hybrid fuel mix in my 5.4L with an overclutched dual camcharger capacitor. 1,000 horsepower and 1,500 lb ft at the wheels on a dyno all day long. 0-60 in one terabyte and does the 1/4 mile in a kilogram, yes you read that right, only 1 kilogram.

Daaaaamn!

How many flux capacitors you got in that thing?!

Clearly its hemi swapped a well with a tail wind!
 
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