2018 Expedition HD Tow pkg potential upgrades

[JExpedition07]

Never been a fan of full grown men/woman throwing temper tantrums. Users are just offering useful information, you are the only one mocking anyone else.

 

[Mike Wolfe]

I find it very amusing, but in a sad sort of way how a lot of folks who choose to participate in a thread, only do so to be as condescending as possible.

I never said with any conviction, what I might choose to burn money on for my Expedition. In fact the title of the the thread says POTENTIAL, not definite. Clearly some in here have raging egos, sitting behind their keyboards, and it's to be expected.

I watched the same thing happen in @Mike Wolfe's tune thread. He offered up conversation, and was brow beaten from a quote that never was...by those same folks who hunger to be The Authority on all matters, though they can't seem to stop making broad assumptions... regularly.

I also never said the things I submitted were in any sequential order OR a full and complete list..it wasn't. Yet some thought both were true.

It's almost like I'm in a forum full of attorneys. Every single one of you proofreads your posts before posting them, to check for grammatical or other errors?

L A M E ! ! !

Thanks 5150
BTW
4 valve heads with pent roof combustion chambers offer much better swirl which does improve low end torque. Also much more resistant to detonation. Also have variable cam phasing on both the exhaust & intake cams. That makes it possible for increased hp & torque through the whole rpm range for the engine. Not possible with push rod & sohc engines

 

[5150 pops]

Never been a fan of full grown men/woman throwing temper tantrums. Users are just offering useful information, you are the only one mocking anyone else.

Well I don't know anyone who would be a fan of such behavior.

That said, you've proven my point, yet again by the shear insinuation that I was having a rant, via my last post.

Assuming again?

I merely pointed out there is an obvious contingent of folks here that enjoy puffing their chest out, all the while NOT truly offering any positive/useful content. They'd rather put someone down, for ideas they share with the group, rather than giving someone the benefit of clarification.

It's unfortunate someone like you tries to devalue another by making an assumption I had thrown a temper tantrum.

Please, reading is fundamental, try reading the words as they're written, without inserting your own prejudiced attitude.

 

[JExpedition07]

Dude read your own posts, you swear at senior members, call everyone lame, and use terms like “people like you” to talk down to people who offered FACTUAL *key word here* info that you don’t like to hear. When you post a thread anyone can comment and it is an open discussion, people offer their best input and advice and nobody was condescending at first except yourself. “prejudice” LOL ok.

 

[5150 pops]

Dude read your own posts, you swear at senior members, call everyone lame, and use terms like “people like you” to talk down to people who offered FACTUAL *key word here* info that you don’t like to hear. When you post a thread anyone can comment and it is an open discussion, people offer their best input and advice and nobody was condescending at first except yourself. “prejudice” LOL ok.

Clearly, we have "a failure to communicate".

I don't see anything, I may have said in rebuttal to be any more/less condescending than that of the original reply.

"Senior members" have a monopoly on factual information around here? You seem to want me to believe, that newby members should simply accept what some members who have been contributing here as being 100% accurate, really? Several of those same folks didn't even want to believe that Ford has been utilizing "on the fly" timing adjustment via octane detection. Yet when I did point it out with no less than two references, only one member had the stones to admit, he learned something new.
Is this your idea of how an enthusiast forum is supposed to run, all newby's are ignorant, all hail the senior members?
It's weak.

 

[jeff kushner]

It is called a "discussion" which is traditionally typically difficult for those "triggered" or those who have nothing to contribute. So they lash out at others or call names...again, typical behavior for those "triggered".

Maybe when those with 40 posts have contributed as much as those with 2,600....we'll listen with a less jaundiced ear.

No one agrees with anyone all the time....but most of those here that actually know what they are talking about are helpful, HUMBLE and sincere. Those pretending, are not.

jeff

 

[Mike Wolfe]

I find it very amusing, but in a sad sort of way how a lot of folks who choose to participate in a thread, only do so to be as condescending as possible.

I never said with any conviction, what I might choose to burn money on for my Expedition. In fact the title of the the thread says POTENTIAL, not definite. Clearly some in here have raging egos, sitting behind their keyboards, and it's to be expected.

I watched the same thing happen in @Mike Wolfe's tune thread. He offered up conversation, and was brow beaten from a quote that never was...by those same folks who hunger to be The Authority on all matters, though they can't seem to stop making broad assumptions... regularly.

I also never said the things I submitted were in any sequential order OR a full and complete list..it wasn't. Yet some thought both were true.

It's almost like I'm in a forum full of attorneys. Every single one of you proofreads your posts before posting them, to check for grammatical or other errors?

L A M E ! ! !

I do not understand why some folks have to be rude & condescending
I thought the reason for this forum was to share experiences & to inform
Why do some feel they have to beat up on others
wouldn't it be more productive to present true facts & honest experiences
Obviously if I were to spend $100k in performance upgrades I could get a 6000lb EXPY into the low 3's or high 2's for the 0-60 times
Be interesting to see how his mods work out
Do not see the reason to use 4 letter derogatory words either
Aren't we all here to learn & share?

 

[5150 pops]

Finally, dragstrip Friday night. Unfortunately my suspicion was confirmed.
The accuracy of the OBDLink MX "feature" that computes 0 to the following incrementals 60mph/60feet/330 feet/eighth mile ET &mph/1000feet/quarter mile ET &mph, is NOT something I can recommend for anyone looking for a reliable means of data.

The device is faultless...in calculation of 60' time, and that's the extent of it's accuracy. (Granted my comments concern the device I have, not necessarily the entire product line). It gets optimistic immediately after that threshold.
Got two passes, in 3.5 hours.
Filled the tank with 93 octane last night. Probably had 18 gallons minimum of the 23.
Timing lights FTW!!!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/QYGaeqECqyvtgG5bA

 

[5150 pops]

Just realized I never wrote the ET on the slip.
14.24
The lights had me 14.55.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/dcGnXtr6UEtvzeft8

 

[Patsfan4lif]

Well ballzzzzzz!!!
I finally received what I thought was going to be a 4" catback exhaust. Opened the box, and thought it looked small. Took the protective wrap off one end, grabbed the measuring tape and what do you know...3"!!!
Dah ****!
Anyhoo, I'm grateful in an odd way that it isn't 4", since I'd really wanted to install it!

So I started this thread, because I felt I was sort hijacking another's thread regarding tuning.
Eventually I plan to...
4" cat back exhaust
SPD bored intake manifolds
SPD turbo adaptors
3" hi flow cat downpipe
Hugenormous intercooler
Boostmax/Pedalmax

I have a Setina center push bumper model PB400, on the way, I think it's about 1-2 weeks from getting here. They're built to order, mine is Aluminum, retains the OEM tow hooks.

This guy ‍

 

[Blackscreen67]

Just realized I never wrote the ET on the slip.
14.24
The lights had me 14.55.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/dcGnXtr6UEtvzeft8

The factory system has defueling limiter that I'm pretty sure you hit.

With that time it's 340hp at the crank @ 6klbs.

I believe this is something that's 4a specific and not when in 2.

 

[5150 pops]

The factory system has defueling limiter that I'm pretty sure you hit.

With that time it's 340hp at the crank @ 6klbs.

I believe this is something that's 4a specific and not when in 2.

I don't think that's the case, the 1st pass, where I forgot to trigger the OBDLink MX, (after staging) is fairly close to this one, and it was in 2Hi mode.

The people (some) on the F-150 forum who regularly go to the dragstrip, have remarked that 2Hi yields better ET as well as Normal drive mode vs Sport. My practice runs seemed to reflect that, but knowing the inaccuracies of the OBDLink, it's all little more than conjecture at this point on my part. Which I've mentioned in the past to all who cared to read, was a real possibility. It could simply be a coincidence that the 60' times matched, and had I got 10 passes in with timing lights and OBDLink simultaneously, 9 times they may not have matched in any incrementals.
The main reason I bought the OBDLink MX was it's ability to read and clear codes on our Honda's and my BMW S1000RR (had an Odyssey, wife has an Accord). Never cared to check the performance aspect until I got the Expedition.

 

[5150 pops]

Forgot link...
https://photos.app.goo.gl/KzqRrwsBWx7cpDNP6

 

[5150 pops]

The factory system has defueling limiter that I'm pretty sure you hit.

With that time it's 340hp at the crank @ 6klbs.

I believe this is something that's 4a specific and not when in 2.

Which result did you base that off of (the fueling limit reference)?

The 14.55 or the optimistic 14.24 of the OBDLink?
I hope not the OBDLink as it seems pointless.

 

[Blackscreen67]

Which result did you base that off of (the fueling limit reference)?

The 14.55 or the optimistic 14.24 of the OBDLink?
I hope not the OBDLink as it seems pointless.

The 14.55.

I personally when driving in 4a can feel it defuel with an off idle hard acceleration. That's how I know your experiencing a defuel, and the time/power output reflects such.

The bigger question is why is the defuel there, and what's it designed to avoid?... and is it Tow pack specific.

 

[5150 pops]

The 14.55.

I personally when driving in 4a can feel it defuel with an off idle hard acceleration. That's how I know your experiencing a defuel, and the time/power output reflects such.

The bigger question is why is the defuel there, and what's it designed to avoid?... and is it Tow pack specific.

Interesting observation.
When I had practiced launching away from the track, I had a tendency to "feather in" the throttle, but Friday night, as nasty as it was (atmospheric), I buried the throttle at take off.

I'll go again to the track before changing anything on the vehicle, but it won't be until the weather conditions are much more favorable than they were this time around.

Hopefully this coming Friday there will be more opportunities (if the current forecast comes to fruition) than this past one as well. I think VMP were making up for an earlier rainout, as they had two race series running in addition to the test-n-tune. If it were a t-n-t only event, I know I would have had more opportunities to make passes, and try different techniques.

I'd like to return to the same track, for continuity, but might go up to MIR, if the weather conditions are more promising or they are only holding a true t-n-t night, lesson learned.

 

[Blackscreen67]

I don't think that's the case, the 1st pass, where I forgot to trigger the OBDLink MX, (after staging) is fairly close to this one, and it was in 2Hi mode.

The people (some) on the F-150 forum who regularly go to the dragstrip, have remarked that 2Hi yields better ET as well as Normal drive mode vs Sport. My practice runs seemed to reflect that, but knowing the inaccuracies of the OBDLink, it's all little more than conjecture at this point on my part. Which I've mentioned in the past to all who cared to read, was a real possibility. It could simply be a coincidence that the 60' times matched, and had I got 10 passes in with timing lights and OBDLink simultaneously, 9 times they may not have matched in any incrementals.
The main reason I bought the OBDLink MX was it's ability to read and clear codes on our Honda's and my BMW S1000RR (had an Odyssey, wife has an Accord). Never cared to check the performance aspect until I got the Expedition.

That's understandable. What I'm saying is there are definitely defueling parameters built in to the lower rpm and gear ranges

They can be felt especially if trying to leave hard off idle.

It's likely torque management software which are designed to limited output.

Being these don't have a launch control feature, there's no way the computer can decipher a boosted launch vs. excessive throttle input. This causes the computer to remap it's self and limit fuel.

My bet is best times will be from a non boosted launch in sport mode starting In 4a, then switching to 2a quickly after the 60ft.

 

[5150 pops]

I c where you'd think it would be better, but it won't switch to 2wd without lifting off the throttle.
The Dragstrip launch area usually has an abundance of grip, if u lineup in a good groove, and drive around the waterbox, if on street tires.

I'm a little bummed, I didn't get the customary 8-12 passes I usually get on a t-n-t night, from years passed. Would like to try again using different techniques, to prove/disprove my belief this is a high to mid 13 second vehicle stock, with 93 octane and 3.73 rear...maybe one day I will get my chance.

 

[Mike Wolfe]

Keep on keeping on
Did you get hit with the hurricane?
I share your belief that these are high 13 vehicles with 93 octane
Will never make it to a drag strip here because it is over 80 miles from where I live
But I am sure the 93 octane performance/tow calibration from 5 star knocked at least a second off of 0-60 & 1/4 mile times

 

[5150 pops]

Keep on keeping on
Did you get hit with the hurricane?
I share your belief that these are high 13 vehicles with 93 octane
Will never make it to a drag strip here because it is over 80 miles from where I live

Florence did not make direct contact with us, but was blamed for several tornadoes that touchdown in Central Va.

I'm grateful my family wasn't affected by anything more than fear, as others endured loss of life and property. Fortunately enough it happened in broad daylight, so it may have prevented a worse outcome. That being said, the one death was an employee at a flooring store, the entire area was truly fortunate, that everything else has the potential to be rebuilt and/or replaced.
Another reminder there's no guarantees in life. That guy surely never thought for a moment that he was living out his last few hours when he left for work that morning.

Maryland International Raceway is 92 miles from my house, and is a real possibility for me to ride up there for test and tune .I've done it numerous times in the past with motorcycles, it's usually worth a tenth off my best time at VMP even though they're very similar elevation. The air always seems better up North.