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The factory system has defueling limiter that I'm pretty sure you hit.

With that time it's 340hp at the crank @ 6klbs.

I believe this is something that's 4a specific and not when in 2.


I ran across this today, and wonder if the throttle angle control vs actual pedal position, is the majority of what we are "feeling" when mashing on the go pedal.

Quite a lot of detailed information shared even if it is on a gen1 3.5eco
https://www.f150ecoboost.net/forum/...ance/74060-boostking-s-oem-turbo-project.html
 

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I ran across this today, and wonder if the throttle angle control vs actual pedal position, is the majority of what we are "feeling" when mashing on the go pedal.

Quite a lot of detailed information shared even if it is on a gen1 3.5eco
https://www.f150ecoboost.net/forum/...ance/74060-boostking-s-oem-turbo-project.html
Super ironic you posted that thread and the first post is from a derive software writer...

He'll be lucky is he has a job in the coming months thanks to the Fed's pushing BS diesel emissions rules.

https://fox17online.com/2018/09/24/company-penalized-for-disabling-vehicles-emissions-controls/
 
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Super ironic you posted that thread and the first post is from a derive software writer...

He'll be lucky is he has a job in the coming months thanks to the Fed's pushing BS diesel emissions rules.

https://fox17online.com/2018/09/24/company-penalized-for-disabling-vehicles-emissions-controls/

Yes I saw that on Monday, but with the way things are in THIS forum, I didn't want to anger the Gods too much with additional information, which may have taken away the whatever value existed in the linked post.

Harley Davidson used to sell a "tuning device" in recent times, then they were found to be outside the good graces of the USA. KTM immediately suspended sales of their Keihin based device in the wake of this, no matter you show them an official racing license with a national/regional series, show proof of non registration, sign waivers, etc.
BMW Motorrad will still provide their ECU tuner but as has always been the case, it is Vin locked, and you MUST sign an affidavit attesting to your intention to race the bike as well as acknowledgement of possession of the device that which the ECU has been unlocked with a utility map provided from Germany immediately voids the factory 3yr 36000 mile warranty from that date.

As advanced as technology has come, I can't see why there would not already be a method programmed in the ECU, allowing for "off road tuning" only when all lighting systems have been disabled/unplugged.

In some race venues taillights/headlights are required, but a simply auxillary system could be installed, bypassing the ECU.

I get the necessity for clean air, but the implementation of the laws to protect/safeguard it is sometimes comical to me.
 

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Super ironic you posted that thread and the first post is from a derive software writer...

He'll be lucky is he has a job in the coming months thanks to the Fed's pushing BS diesel emissions rules.

https://fox17online.com/2018/09/24/company-penalized-for-disabling-vehicles-emissions-controls/

An interesting comment
I would bet this vehicle would pass state emissions inspection with flying colors
He has not defeated any of the emission components & has been very careful to watch the linear sensor output & fuel trim
My 2013 Taurus SHO has been through 3 state inspections & passed every time with a Livernois calibration & a 3 bar map sensor
As long as the CATS are working these vehicles will pass emissions tests & none of the emissions controls are defeated
I am sure he will still have a job & probably get a job offer from FORD
BTW
Had high flow cats & large exhaust on my 2011 F150 3.5L Eco Boost
As long as Linear sensor output, fuel trim & post cat sensors were happy vehicle would still pass emissions tests & had tons more power than stock
The consensus that a recalibration or higher flow exhaust will cause higher emissions is a misnomer as long as good quality cats are used:33:
 
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An interesting comment
I would bet this vehicle would pass state emissions inspection with flying colors
He has not defeated any of the emission components & has been very careful to watch the linear sensor output & fuel trim
My 2013 Taurus SHO has been through 3 state inspections & passed every time with a Livernois calibration & a 3 bar map sensor
As long as the CATS are working these vehicles will pass emissions tests & none of the emissions controls are defeated
I am sure he will still have a job & probably get a job offer from FORD
BTW
Had high flow cats & large exhaust on my 2011 F150 3.5L Eco Boost
As long as Linear sensor output, fuel trim & post cat sensors were happy vehicle would still pass emissions tests & had tons more power than stock
The consensus that a recalibration or higher flow exhaust will cause higher emissions is a misnomer as long as good quality cats are used:33:

Tell the Fed's that. Tampering of any sorts with emissions components regardless of a 100 or 400 cat is legally punishable under the clean air rules and emissions. This is unless you live and register in a non emissions or inspection state.

If big brother gets wind of it.... your subject from $5k-$20k in fines. This includes daily fines until it' fixed, and restriction or revoke of registration.

Diesel is the whipping boy for this because you can see carbon which just falls to the ground. Gas engines on the other hand are the true danger to people' health as the emissions are truly toxic even in the smallest quantity.

Here's perspective. At my old house, I had planted 2 bushes the exact same size on each side of my garage. I always backed the truck in I had at the time and the exhaust tip would point right at one of the bushes within a foot or so. I would always idle the truck for warm up and cool down purposes and because of the direct exhaust from the deleted exhaust with no emissions controls that bush had a lovely source of CO2. The end result was that same bush growing nearly double the rate of the bush on the other side. If it was the other way and the Bush was exposed to exhaust from a gas motor, the Bush would've been more likely to die.
 

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Tell the Fed's that. Tampering of any sorts with emissions components regardless of a 100 or 400 cat is legally punishable under the clean air rules and emissions. This is unless you live and register in a non emissions or inspection state.

If big brother gets wind of it.... your subject from $5k-$20k in fines. This includes daily fines until it' fixed, and restriction or revoke of registration.

Diesel is the whipping boy for this because you can see carbon which just falls to the ground. Gas engines on the other hand are the true danger to people' health as the emissions are truly toxic even in the smallest quantity.

Here's perspective. At my old house, I had planted 2 bushes the exact same size on each side of my garage. I always backed the truck in I had at the time and the exhaust tip would point right at one of the bushes within a foot or so. I would always idle the truck for warm up and cool down purposes and because of the direct exhaust from the deleted exhaust with no emissions controls that bush had a lovely source of CO2. The end result was that same bush growing nearly double the rate of the bush on the other side. If it was the other way and the Bush was exposed to exhaust from a gas motor, the Bush would've been more likely to die.

well you are welcome to offer anything you want but if the linear sensors are happy & the high flow cats are working & the post cat sensors are happy, the emissions test would be exactly as the same as stock OEM emissions & therefore the changes are not detectable by any tailpipe tests
BTW the diesel particulates emitted are carcinogenic as well
That is the reason particulate traps are employed
I know you are an older technology diesel fan
I personally prefer the common rail engines which are much quieter, cleaner & can be reprogrammed to produce a lot more power & still use the trap & all of it's sensors:33:
 

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well you are welcome to offer anything you want but if the linear sensors are happy & the high flow cats are working & the post cat sensors are happy, the emissions test would be exactly as the same as stock OEM emissions & therefore the changes are not detectable by any tailpipe tests
BTW the diesel particulates emitted are carcinogenic as well
That is the reason particulate traps are employed
I know you are an older technology diesel fan
I personally prefer the common rail engines which are much quieter, cleaner & can be reprogrammed to produce a lot more power & still use the trap & all of it's sensors:33:

Nope, I'm a Bosch fan boy.

If there's not 26-30k rail pressure commanded I'm not interested.

The reasons DPFs are used is to provide an illusion of eco friendly, which is a lie as it results in the same fuel being burned 2x when in regen. Lets not diacuss the toxicity of DEF which is another removable item.

I can take a 8k lbs diesel truck and make it get 30mpgs all day long, while the same weight truck with a gas motor will only get 8-10mpgs. 3x the fuel, 3x the emissions from a gas motor.

When in reality, ethanol has a carbon footprint that is astronomical compared to both gas and diesel. Yet it' promoted as eco friendly which is a political money laundering lie.
 

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Nope, I'm a Bosch fan boy.

If there's not 26-30k rail pressure commanded I'm not interested.

The reasons DPFs are used is to provide an illusion of eco friendly, which is a lie as it results in the same fuel being burned 2x when in regen. Lets not diacuss the toxicity of DEF which is another removable item.

I can take a 8k lbs diesel truck and make it get 30mpgs all day long, while the same weight truck with a gas motor will only get 8-10mpgs. 3x the fuel, 3x the emissions from a gas motor.

When in reality, ethanol has a carbon footprint that is astronomical compared to both gas and diesel. Yet it' promoted as eco friendly which is a political money laundering lie.

Well I guess we will agree to disagree
BTW I never see how much energy it takes to refine crude oil into Diesel fuel & gasoline
Also How much carbon is released when it is refined
I do agree that Diesel fuel has a higher carbon content & therefore a higher energy content per gallon than gasoline or ethanol
I do agree that an un-throttled compression ignition engine is more efficient
I do like common rail Diesel technology
Ethanol does not have a higher carbon footprint than gas or diesel It has a zero carbon foot print
The OLD WIVES TALE that it takes more energy to produce is not accurate
Ethanol produces about 80% more energy than it takes to produce it
Modern ethanol producing plants use energy from plants for fuel to produce it
They do not use fossil fuels
BTW the mash left over from ethanol production makes excellent livestock feed & is even more nutritious than raw corn
Here are some links

https://plbrgen.cals.cornell.edu/sites/plbrgen.cals.cornell.edu/files/shared/documents/forage/mythvsfacts.pdf
https://www.wired.com/2011/06/five-ethanol-myths-busted-2/
If you want to debate the issues of Diesel particulates, bio fuels etc, I can supply reams of factual data that is often poo pooed by the fossil fuels industry
Bosch is one of my companies customers
We have supplied them product for years
 
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Hey, you two, should be a crime against the forum - recycling posts from another thread into yet...a different thread. LOL.

Anyhoo, I went to the dragstrip again tonight, to the one I typically have zero interest in going to, if I'm running a motorcycle.

The deets...EACH TIME the track marshall instructed my group to approach the waterbox, I started the vehicle, turned off auto stop, then traction control by quickly pressing the squiggly line car button, then disabled Avancetrac by pressing and holding the same aforementioned squiggly line button for 5-9 seconds until confirmation in the driver's driver's information cluster between the tach and speedo.
It should also be painfully obvious, from the handwritten entries next to some of the results, the previously posted results from the OBDLink MX calculations are proven to be just that, calculations, which are erroneous at best. I used the same fuel as last week, 100% non ethanol 93 octane, only difference, is I had close to 18-19 gallons onboard last Friday, this Friday I started with the leftover
3/8ths ~ 6-8gallons.
Not the same track either, however the difference I've personally noticed from years past between Richmond to VMP vs MIR is on the order of a tenth 1/4 mile ET. Take it for what it's worth, believe or not.
That is to say, as close to equal conditions as possible Richmond is the slowest ET generator by a tenth, versus VA Motorsports Park versus Md Int'l Raceway...10.45 v 10.35 v 10.26 (2015 BMW S1000RR bone stock, 265 lb rider with full leather suit/gloves/boots/helmet stock wheelbase, ride height, gearing, etc...as delivered from Munich.

Anyway from left to right, the corresponding times are in order of first to last...
6:26:26
6:30:34
6:34:29
6:56:45
7:04:48
7:23:37
7:35:33
8:14:36
https://photos.app.goo.gl/H5ztgxuJvX9atyZ1A

No tomfoolery instituted, other than cracking the hood open on the return road, then straight to the staging lanes, where I'd raise the hood completely, until the next run, save for a few times I was allowed to hotlap. No burnouts, just a little dryhop in an effort to remove the moisture from the tires, as these wonderful officials left no dry patch of the waterbox, had to cross water to get on the pad.

The fourth run, I forgot to turn off auto start/stop, and after the dry hop, the engine killed itself. Not sure if as a result of the restart the traction control and advancetrac were enabled???
https://photos.app.goo.gl/CM6TSDvfFykuv1iF9

Unfortunately I failed to screen cap last Friday's conditions, but the humidity was in the high 70-low 80% range and ambient temperature was 15°F higher, last Friday than it was tonight.

As such, I'm confident my results tonight are an accurate reflection of what the HD Tow pkg on the short wheelbase XLT 2018 can accomplish given the most advantageous conditions, except for zero heatsoaked runs which the last few passes were a little more indicative of that, but we're far from a truly non heatsoaked pass. From the time I arrived at the track to the first run was no more than 10 minutes. Nobody was at tech, signed the waivers, armband in check, straight to the lanes, where I might have waited, 2 minutes tops, for the first run. This track was a 50 minute drive from my house in Friday afternoon traffic.

All the conjecture aside, I believe at best, if I would have taken the time, to bring fans, ice, and waited for appropriate time to cool the transmission and intake, the 14.3 best ET, would possibly, have been bettered by 2/10ths but no more. So I'm conceding that my firm belief that this 5825lb party bus (not including my 240lbs) is NOT a high 13 second vehicle stock.

I'm not committed to turning it to one, but there are some goodies already purchased, some I have in my possession, others yet to arrive, and I feel mildly confident that I will get to 13.66 or less, with less than $1500 in crap. Or I won't, and I really will have $1500 in crap, which I will share the results with the group, regardless.
 
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Oops,
Not sure what happened, but the humidity most of the night had registered right at 64% with temps starting at 74°. The last time I checked it, (the screenshot) I failed to confirm humidity had not changed, but it did. Most of the night it hovered around 65-70%.
Last Friday it was 80-85%, mega gross.
 
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well how are things going?
Any news for us regarding your exhaust, intake upgrades?

Sorry @Mike Wolfe just saw this post.

I had planned to drive up to Odenton Md last Sunday, for a test and tune day, but had a nagging feeling I'd be looking at a huge pita if something in the driveline went "pop".

Current plan is this, Friday Friday Friday night, to return to one of the two local tracks. I've still got the CGS exhaust sitting in the box, though I did buy an AEM "dry" drop in air filter, because it was just ~ $40, has lifetime warranty, has DEEP pleats and doesn't require oil. I'd never looked at the OEM filter when I first bought it, but after a lot of ring seating sessions, I took a peek, and it seemed it may have been a victim of blow-by. Being the goon I am, (not ready to deep six the warranty via a real tune) I decided to pair the filter with the simple JMS Pedalmax/Boostmax combo, which is due via UPS tomorrow. I MIGHT try to install the exhaust after clocking out at work tomorrow, if the shop doesn't have too many eyes around. Probably won't be able to though.

I am interested in making one last effort to dip into the high 13's without changing anything (other than the air filter, which if I did, the filter would be far from the main reason), the temps are supposed to be in the 60's! I'd like to make a pass with the stock intercooler completely cool, where the needle in the gauge cluster is just a couple hair follicles off the "C", which I've not yet had the opportunity to do so, each pass it's been dead middle of C/H.

Most of all, I need to find my suction mount for the Sony minicam, so I can record the passes from the driver's viewpoint. I'm right at 2,500 miles, so it's still on the tightside. I may end up bringing one of my inverter genny's and a few fans/10# bags of ice, to help in the quest. Once the CAC gauge moves past the initial break from C, enroute to dead middle, slightly closer to H, it is all too evident there's a significant loss of power. If I'm able to get a good pass with a cool CAC, I'll install the JMS combo and run it with 50% dial, and give it the beans. It's recommended to gap the plugs to .30 to .28 with the JMS set to 100%. Obviously I'm not going to have the confidence to do this in the pits at the Dragstrip, thus I'll only dial up the knob to 50%.

Then the next weather favorable test and tune day, I'll go back with the exhaust installed, plugs gapped, and maybe some 100 octane goofy gas, for giggles.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, the new Garrett plug and play CAC has moved up to the front of the line, for the next requisition. Number after that, would be a cold charge pipe, or the combo hot and cold pipes, then possibly a supersonic BOV from Turbosmart. Then I am done burning cash, and will return to beating on motorcycles.
 
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I want to upgrade my CAC too, I had the Mishomoto in my F 150 what a big difference over stock in IAT's and heat soak. If you get the garret let me know how it fits.
 
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well how are things going?
Any news for us regarding your exhaust, intake upgrades?


I plugged in the Pedalmax module and drove around a few days now, with it in it's untethered setting, there's no denying the directness of pressure on pedal = rpm increase, instantaneously, and not very much pressure required either, I really like the difference!

Plugged the Boostmax module in after work today, and drove home. Even though I have proven (to myself) that OBDLink MX performance calculations are faaaaaaaaar from relevant, I still went back to the well, one last time.

Tropical storms/hurricanes are out of here, and it appears the local track (same place I most recently went) has power now, so after work tomorrow, I'll see first hand, what all my crawling under and about has done for me.
Posting pics for a good laugh...

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First pass tonight. I couldn't find my minicam mount, BUT - painter's tape to the rescue. I will post later when I get home and trim it down, and am on WiFi.

I am running only Pedalmax, no Boostmax tonight, didn't gap the plugs yet. Might do that this weekend, and come back here 7 days from now.

Forgot to turn off stop start again, so after I spun the rear tires to try and get the crap off, from waterbox that I couldn't drive around, the thing died. Traction control was off but I'm almost certain advancetrac may have been re-enabled. Will know on next pass, hopefully.

Running 10% Ethanol 93 octane Mobil.
2wd Hi
Current mods...the catback exhaust, AEM dry filter, JMS Pedalmax.
Boostmax disabled.
Might try next pass to turn BoostMax on to 50% which I think is only one full psi of increase. I believe on the f150's/Expy every quarter turn off the knob is half a psi. Short clip from staging lanes, via cellphone.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/mwBQFArGLg9GaVM18

Link to onboard clip here -----> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pTvVk68pyg4PWo_HrNSqRCEFsKyOKPJw/view?usp=sharing

BTW...#161 is Expedition other was a Charger SXT (V6).
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First pass tonight. I couldn't find my minicam mount, BUT - painter's tape to the rescue. I will post later when I get home and trim it down, and am on WiFi.

I am running only Pedalmax, no Boostmax tonight, didn't gap the plugs yet. Might do that this weekend, and come back here 7 days from now.

Forgot to turn off stop start again, so after I spun the rear tires to try and get the crap off, from waterbox that I couldn't drive around, the thing died. Traction control was off but I'm almost certain advancetrac may have been re-enabled. Will know on next pass, hopefully.

Running 10% Ethanol 93 octane Mobil.
2wd Hi
Current mods...the catback exhaust, AEM dry filter, JMS Pedalmax.
Boostmax disabled.
Might try next pass to turn BoostMax on to 50% which I think is only one full psi of increase. I believe on the f150's/Expy every quarter turn off the knob is half a psi. Short clip from staging lanes, via cellphone.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/mwBQFArGLg9GaVM18

BTW...#161 is Expedition other was a Charger SXT (V6).
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I could be wrong here, but if I remember correctly they're governed out at 98mph.
 
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I could be wrong here, but if I remember correctly they're governed out at 98mph.

You are.
Not sure about other years, but the 18 is either 105 or 110 mph.

I broke 100mph through the lights tonight, and probably could have gone higher if i had at least one more pass, instead of TWO, cuz people bring shit to the track, blow it up, and instead of immediately stopping, they continue to coast down the track, coating the lane with their engine/transmission/rear end fluid(s)!!!!

This time left lane, right lane is 2012-14 GT Mustang, with Procharger, 3.73 rear, 6speed manual, Borla exhaust, Boss intake, tuning, Mickey Thompson ET rear, Weld Wheels, and bunch of other stuff I can't remember, I think E85, can't remember. Nice guy. "Treed" him pretty good though.

Link to onboard clip, loaded below timing slip. I edited down, but if you watch and listen near the end, you will hear my reaction from seeing the results from the timing slip!!!
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Run starts about 2:26 for those of you who are impatient.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Lcyg_cf7p2shhihvvPEPfxUMBB9dHxq0/view?usp=sharing
 
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I could be wrong here, but if I remember correctly they're governed out at 98mph.

You are.
Not sure about other years, but the 18 is either 105 or 110 mph.

We were both wrong, according to Car and Driver
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