The "Auto Stop-Start" is so annoying!!!!

[JExpedition07]

You absolutely could, because by the time you hear the shot, the bullet has already hit its mark. If you can hear the shot and duck, he missed.

If you are in a situation where you need engine power so quickly that it can't provide it after quickly restarting (because it does restart very quickly) then it's highly unlikely you would react quickly enough to avoid the emergency anyway.

1 second is an eternity in that situation... all I’m sayin

 

[twernst]

This button turns off the auto start/stop feature:

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I have that same button in my X5, nut I went in after owning for a week and the dealer permanently turned off the feature. The button resets after every engine start.

Almost time for a new starter.... 75 k is no impressive test

Just curious why you think every car needs a new starter at 70-90k mi? Has this been the case for you?

I have yet to replace a starter on any car, including ‘85 Cherokee, 87 Subaru, 93 Sentra on and on. All had well over 100k when they left my possession.

The above example of the MB may not be impressive, but it is the only reference point he has and he is trying to contribute to the conversation when you do the math at 10-15 k miles it is typical for where the car should be.

 

[JExpedition07]

I have that same button in my X5, nut I went in after owning for a week and the dealer permanently turned off the feature. The button resets after every engine start.


Just curious why you think every car needs a new starter at 70-90k mi? Has this been the case for you?

I have yet to replace a starter on any car, including ‘85 Cherokee, 87 Subaru, 93 Sentra on and on. All had well over 100k when they left my possession.

The above example of the MB may not be impressive, but it is the only reference point he has and he is trying to contribute to the conversation when you do the math at 10-15 k miles it is typical for where the car should be.

Not every car, just cars with auto start stop.

 

[Kevink109]

Not every car, just cars with auto start stop.

Who knows how this will work out with the 2018 Expy- but I have a Fusion Energi w/ start stop and have over 130k miles on her with no issue with the start stop feature. Also have a camry hybrid with same feature that I gave to my mom- it has 145k no issues. Granted smaller 4cyl but hopefully the technology is fleshed out enough to be reliable long term

 

[jrc50]

Actually, the older cars you referenced would not have had STOP/START. The higher maintenance in starters and batteries is simply a matter of math. If you have 10X or 100X the normal number of start cycles, mechanical and electrical components wear out more quickly. Because the auto manufacturers have done a pitiful job of documenting how these systems were tested if at all and any design improvements they might or might not have made, customers have to take it on blind faith they will not be stuck with a series of big repair bills or put in a dangerous situation when and if the START/STOP system fails to allow for a rapid evacuation of an intersection in an emergency.
BMW at that point in time reportedly had told its dealers than anyone objecting to it or disliking the system could permanently defeat it as they were afraid of losing customers.
The proper direction for the manufacturers would been to have launched a positive campaign (if indeed any long term test results were) and to put at least a 150K warranty on all STOP/START components. The manufacturers however did not, taking a seemingly "let them eat cake" attitude toward their customers.

 

[Flexpedition]

I'm glad my grandparents finally warmed up to the idea of driving a vehicle with airbags. You know those things blow up all the time.

 

[Boose]

I'm glad my grandparents finally warmed up to the idea of driving a vehicle with airbags. You know those things blow up all the time.

LOL My grandfather just recently stopped ripping efi components off of his cars for carburetors.

 

[JExpedition07]

I'm glad my grandparents finally warmed up to the idea of driving a vehicle with airbags. You know those things blow up all the time.

Please.... tell me how start stop adds safety to my vehicle.... go on.

Glad my grandparents warmed up to non serviceable transmissions and thin body panels and overall lower quality construction.

 

[JExpedition07]

LOL My grandfather just recently stopped ripping efi components off of his cars for carburetors.

Nothing wrong with that, less to break.

 

[Boose]

Yep... He had no use for a computerized engine.

 

[jrc50]

Flexpedition:
Funny on this forum of what can go wrong with Detroit "Better Ideas" you mention Air Bags BLOWING UP! My 2008 Lincoln MKZ sedan got a recall from Ford in July of 2016 due to the Takata air bag igniter (oops sorry inflator). Basically this first letter let me know there was a problem and that Ford was working diligently to get me parts to fix it. Speeding forward to late 2017, Ford sends me another letter saying they would be willing to fix my inflator with exactly the same defective parts they used when they assembled this car in 2008 which they would send to my closest dealer to install so Ford can run a test and prove that the inflator will not inflate all on its own (I threw that letter in the garbage as the last thing I want is some dealership messing with an inflator they were not familiar with and me waiting 10 years for Ford to complete their test and a report (this car already has 125K on it).
Then last week I get yet another letter from Ford warning me sternly that I must not allow anyone to sit in the MKZ passenger seat because it may inflate/ignite (my alternate wording) and after two years Ford still has no clue when they might bless me with parts, but of course they insist Ford is doing everything it can to supply parts, but of course they cannot give a date when that blessed event might occur.....(something about elephants mating, you remember it goes on at a very high level and for a long time)
I have called the FOMOCO generator of these letters several times to express my extreme displeasure with Ford's inaction and impotence, rendering this car effectively worthless (in any trade in or sale) and of some concern in our family's safety!!
As a footnote, anyone on this blog who wonders why I am such an idiot for questioning the safety of STOP/START systems and their probable maintenance costs should take this ongoing example of the finest in customer problem handling as one of my numerous reasons for asking simple questions of the manufacturers about what they claim.

 

[Vin_mac]

Is there a permanent way to turn this off?

 

[rcompart]

Is there a permanent way to turn this off?

Stop start can permanently be disable with FORScan. In the BdyCM, change the second digit in block 726-48-02 to x0xx xxxx xxxx and no more annoying stop start. I can do this modification for anyone in the Chicago area.

 

[jrc50]

Also check YouTube, if there is a way as on the last gen F150's it will be on there!

 

[oddwon]

Is there a permanent way to turn this off?

Leave it always in manual mode.

 

[1955moose]

I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box, but unless they started making starters and Batteries substantially stronger in the past few years, theirs going to be a lot of warranty claims over the next few years, not to mention all the out of pocket forum members will fork out, once the warranty is through. Metallurgy and battery construction hasn't changed that much to be able to cope with starting 20 times or more per driving trip. Not to mention wear on flywheel teeth, and wiring. Well time will tell.

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[JExpedition07]

I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box, but unless they started making starters and Batteries substantially stronger in the past few years, theirs going to be a lot of warranty claims over the next few years, not to mention all the out of pocket forum members will fork out, once the warranty is through. Metallurgy and battery construction hasn't changed that much to be able to cope with starting 20 times or more per driving trip. Not to mention wear on flywheel teeth, and wiring. Well time will tell.

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My dads buddy is a “failure engineer” for GM. These companies are spending millions upon millions of dollars to make sure parts only last out of warranty and then break. His job is to make sure parts fail. This engineering is getting more and more prominent on modern vehicles to make them more disposable. It’s no secret it’s to sell parts right out of warranty.

 

[1955moose]

Pretty amazing these companies spend millions of dollars, and hundreds of hours just to piss off the customer, but they do. Classic example is the issues with the timing set, tensioners and assorted failures on 2nd and 3rd gen models, just so they sell you on new and improved parts. What amazes me is how many of us buy these vehicles used knowing their hand grenades waiting to blow. Ain't it amazing how much we love these 3 ton tank's that we put up with all this. Like I said before, if it wasn't for all the issues, this would be a boring and quiet forum. Wonder what old Henry Ford would say about all these issues, if he had his way we'd be driving modern versions of the model T!

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[Artie]

My dads buddy is a “failure engineer” for GM. These companies are spending millions upon millions of dollars to make sure parts only last out of warranty and then break. His job is to make sure parts fail. This engineering is getting more and more prominent on modern vehicles to make them more disposable. It’s no secret it’s to sell parts right out of warranty.

This was a motivator for us to buy an extended warranty and maintenance plan.

 

[JExpedition07]

Pretty amazing these companies spend millions of dollars, and hundreds of hours just to piss off the customer, but they do. Classic example is the issues with the timing set, tensioners and assorted failures on 2nd and 3rd gen models, just so they sell you on new and improved parts. What amazes me is how many of us buy these vehicles used knowing their hand grenades waiting to blow. Ain't it amazing how much we love these 3 ton tank's that we put up with all this. Like I said before, if it wasn't for all the issues, this would be a boring and quiet forum. Wonder what old Henry Ford would say about all these issues, if he had his way we'd be driving modern versions of the model T!

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Not just the tanks, but everything. If anything we get away with the most because they are based on truck platforms. A lot of planned obsolescence that is designed in is thought to be “poor planning” or “poor design” , yeah okaaaayyyyy